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AlphaWookie ago

I believe that we have two or three years before our collapse and racial civil war hits full swing.

You dream we are no where near close. I can tell you are young and do not know US history.

Consider the following the closest the US came to a civil war or collapse post civil war was in the late '60s early '70s. Back then there where multiple multi day riot in cities, that actually resulted in death counts and gun battles between the population and LEO's and national guard troops. The national guard was called out several times for civil unrest that lasted days. Some state Governor's directly challenged the authority of the federal government. There where regular political assassinations and bombings on the political left and the political right. Back then there was periods of time that there where price and wage controls used. Along with limited issues of rationing applies to goods.

Finally the clearest evidence we are no where close to collapse. Back in the '60s things got so tense at one point the White House was ringed by large passenger busses used as improvised barricades and national guard troops ringed the White House. Based on the fear of a particularly politically charged march that would result in the storming of the White House by citizens.

The present condition are nothing like the late '60s or early '70s in America nor like the conditions in late '80s USSR.

America is nowhere close to such a calamity as you envision. Basically learn more.

lipids ago

I think you underestimate the number of discontents here. Protesting has become too expensive for many and the means of violent protest are more varied (particularly organization) that the nation can change practically overnight.

I do not think we are at a critical level of discontent but disruptive technology like self driving cars can change that quickly.

neveragainfatty ago

Within the next 10-15 years there will be no more transportation work for human drivers. Transportation is the largest employment sector in the USA. Things are going to get interesting.

Universal Basic Income, no matter your perspective on it, is going to be the hot topic once 30% hard working Americans lose their jobs to robots through no fault of their own.

Dereliction ago

People at the turn of the 20th century might have argued the same thing about the coming of the car. How many drivers (carts, buggies, wagons, etc.) lost their jobs? How many stable hands to care for all those animals? What a disaster! Except that it really wasn't.

The reality is that other avenues in the market open up as technology changes the landscape. So long as the government doesn't have it's foot on the market's throat, people will find work doing other things that the market is newly demanding.

neveragainfatty ago

If you look into it technology rarely(mostly never) replaces all the jobs it destroys. You are looking at the wrong part of that equation.

Horses never found other work. Their usefulness dropped to society and their population took a dramatic decline.

There is absolutely no job market that can absorb 30% of the workforce. See CGP greys video on this.

Dereliction ago

Horses never found other work.

That's because horses were the outmoded technology.

There is absolutely no job market that can absorb 30% of the workforce.

Someone will have to build and work on and manage the gigantic fleets of driverless vehicles that would replace all those workers. It's causing a shift in the market, not simply evaporating 30% of it.

neveragainfatty ago

We already have that sector covered. There won't be more vehicles on the road just less people on the road. I would also expect that the type of people who can take a quick 3 month (AFAIK) CDL class and jump into a solid middle class income career are not the type of people who can spend 4 years in college to learn the basics of maintaining a computer/mechanics system.

From the video you will see that computers are programming software more intricately than humans have and at paces that humans can't, they are learning your job and can do it FAR cheaper than you ever could. Eventually to not get rid of humans and the errors that they bring would be irrational for most employers.

Dereliction ago

Well, let me put it this way: we should fully expect that the market would find a massive pool of cheap human labor profitable for something, even if it isn't related to fleets of driverless cars. I won't predict what sort of ideas the market will come up with, but human labor will have value for the foreseeable future so long as governments don't insist that it's illegal to put it to use and limit the prices that global and national markets find as agreeable.

Claims that UBI is necessary because of some purportedly unemployable pool of human labor, well, it sort of defies any realistic expectation.

Besides, if we truly get to the point that human labor is no longer required, we'll be tiptoeing into a post-scarcity existence anyhow.

neveragainfatty ago

Cheap human labor serves to depress wages and increase unemployment in your nations youth.

Look at France. They have been importing cheap human labor since the 80s. 23.5% youth (15-25) unemployment with 10.5% overall. Spain, Greece, and Italy are even worse off.

Dereliction ago

I don't argue against that, but it's only a never-ending downpour if you continue to flood the market with labor. Otherwise, the market will bounce back because cheap labor incentivizes the creation of new businesses that want to profit from use of that inexpensive labor. As more new businesses come into play and competition for that static labor pool increases, wages rebound and the situation recuperates.

This assumes, again, that the country doesn't continue to flood its market with additional labor (i.e., France) and you don't restrict the creation of jobs based on a minimum wage. Doing both of these things is disastrous on several fronts.