Lets_talk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:00 pm
Hey I'm a covid believer here to understand how you guys are thinking about this.
I can imagine thinking this is all a big hoax, though it seems really hard to pull off.
Can you imagine this being a legitimate virus that no one planned or is in control of? I'd love to hear how you think the country should respond in the case of an actual pandemic, even if you don't believe we're in a real one right now. Would you support masks and lockdowns?
My mother and stepfather both currently have Covid. He is 86, and has multiple risk factors. Odds are against his survival. We will see what happens. Covid is clearly real and dangerous to the vulnerable.
But experience proves @
PeaceSeeker is correct: the ends do not justify the means. The extreme over-reaction of governments, the healthcare system and other institutions like the Church has had a truly TERRIBLE impact even on the "ends". Those who enter the hospital for any reason are being subjected to the most inhumane isolation and neglect. It's 100x worse for those who enter WITH Covid.
My stepfather went into the small town ER with a fever due to a UTI, which he gets occasionally because he has a catheter. They separated my mother (who was not ill) from him despite his inability to stand up on his own. He tested positive for Covid. He refused treatment and asked to be sent home due to having just been trapped alone in the hospital for several weeks due to vascular problems (where they failed to change his catheter and thus caused the UTI).
Instead, they drugged him up, put him in an ambulance, and drove him almost two hours away to the big city hospital where they isolated him in the place he had just returned home from. Neither he nor my mom gave permission for this. The only way they would allow him to return home was if he went into hospice, at which point they would not treat him for the UTI or the Covid and would only give him morphine.
Just what you need with a severe upper respiratory illness...if you want to shorten someone's life.
He was terrified he was going to die alone in the hospital without getting to say goodbye to anyone.
So we transferred him to hospice to get him out of there, and used a telemedicine doc to get a prescriptions for HCQ and azithromycin. That was two weeks ago, and he's still hanging in there.
To make matters worse, they refused to allow him to see a priest to receive the sacraments either at the hospital, or at home. Because they closed up all the churches again, their small-town pastor decided to take an extended vacation back to his home country.
His only son and daughter-in-law were too terrified of Covid to come in the house to see him when they flew from thousands of miles away to be there for his death. They are not high risk, and had PPE. But they couldn't be persuaded to do anything but knock on the outside of the window and wave at him through the glass because they have been so brainwashed by health terrorists.
All these people who have treated him with such callous disregard have shown themselves to be worse than dogs, thanks to the vaunted "end" of safety. It's made him want to die as quickly as possible.
Disease -- even actually dire disease like Plague or Ebola -- does not absolve human beings of the need for mercy.
And if this WERE a truly deadly contagion, the requirement for "face coverings" -- the vast majority of which are equivalent to using a chain link fence to keep out mosquitos -- would merely lead to massive spread of the disease, as they concentrate the virus right exactly where people will inevitably touch it with their hands and then spread it to every door handle, credit card reader, handrail, bannister, piece of silverware and any other thing they touch. All they do is give people a false sense of security and righteousness.
It's evil.