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Glory_Beckons ago

To preempt trigger-happy downvotes: This is not an endorsement of the official narrative. Read the whole thing or move along.

2020 number of deaths (all causes) through 11/28/2020, 2,654,825:

So that's 11 months worth. Even a very simple and naive adjustment yields a projected total, for the whole year, of:

(2,654,825 / 11) * 12 =    2,896,173

That's HIGHER than ALL of the previous year numbers you listed. Slightly higher, sure. But higher. Which contradicts your claim that "Deaths at their lowest in 5 years". And by using only your own sources and numbers, no less.

Making claims such as these, which are patently false and so easily disproved, does not help anyone. It just makes you, and everyone here who buys into it, because it is convenient and happens to support the conclusion they want, look like a fool.

Additionally, as another user pointed out in a different thread, the numbers for the last few weeks are not complete and still subject to being updated as reports come in, with delays of up to 8 weeks or sometimes more. As evidenced by the last two weeks being extremely low, at only 82% and 39% of expected deaths, respectively.

My reply to him paints a more complete picture, I think.

The short version:

There are about 20% more deaths this year than previous years, during the weeks "the pandemic" was a factor, on average.

HOWEVER, about one third of the extra deaths could not be "confirmed or presumed" to be Covid (in spite of their best efforts for taxbux subsidies). These can only be assumed to be deaths caused by the lockdowns and surrounding restrictions, since that is the only other major change this year from previous years.

See Table

This is the same data as from the OPs CDC link for this year. It is just cropped to remove incomplete and irrelevant weeks. It also has four additional columns, to highlight the presumed lockdown morbidity. In other words:

For every 2 deaths blamed on Covid, the lockdowns killed 1 more.

That's just going by those numbers and taking their Covid reports at face value. In reality, it is likely worse. Because we know many of the claimed Covid deaths were actually unrelated causes. Which means the real ratio leans more heavily towards lockdown deaths than towards Covid deaths.

And what for?

Would Covid have killed more than that, without them? How do we know? Even if we assume, would it have been significantly more than that? Enough to warrant everything we've given up? Everything we've been forced to give up? Enough to justify taking it upon ourselves, to impose measures that would kill so many, instead of letting nature run its course, the way it always has? And what of all the suffering caused that hasn't (yet) resulted in death?

Was it worth it?

This is a much better and more honest angle to pursue than trying to claim that deaths are lower than usual this year. They're not. Attempting to claim they are will only get you shot down with your own data, as I did here. And anyone who might have been inclined to believe you will rightfully doubt anything else you said or will say.

Ashra ago

Doesn't the population go up every year? So there would naturally be higher deaths because there are more people?

Glory_Beckons ago

Sure, but not by 20% in one year. Unless you think we gained 70+ million people in the last year.

From the numbers in the OP, you can see it does increase slightly year to year. By about 1% to 2% per year.

123456788 ago

How many undocumented illegal aliens have came to the country, thus increasing the population (unofficially), thus increasing deaths?

Men13 ago

2020 number of deaths (all causes) through 11/28/2020, 2,654,825

Liar.

That's all the deaths notifications they received by 11/28. But they explicitly stated in the same page you got the data from that there's a few weeks of delay in most death notifications.

They say so explicitly in the CDC page you used for the data.

I already showed this to you, but you choose to ignore it.

You do this intentionally, because you aren't wrong - you are lying.

You don't care about the truth. You care only about your narrative.

Glory_Beckons ago

Excuse me? Are you talking to me?

I literally linked to your comment and said:

Additionally, as another user pointed out [that's you] in a different thread, the numbers for the last few weeks are not complete and still subject to being updated as reports come in, with delays of up to 8 weeks or sometimes more. As evidenced by the last two weeks being extremely low, at only 82% and 39% of expected deaths, respectively.

Please read what you're replying to before accusing people of lying. Otherwise they may get the impression this:

You don't care about the truth. You care only about your narrative.

Applies much more so to you, than to anyone else.

Men13 ago

Siri, I replied in the wrong place... :(

Paranoiaattack ago

That is a great angle on the data