While not specifically IP, we do know from early leaks that trade secretes and developing business opportunities are leveraged with American companies. Basically the way it works is that intelligence is illegally gathered then illegally shared with various congressmen who then participate in reward for leveraging the intelligence. This is in fact how the bulk of gathered intelligence is leveraged. Very little of the information is ever actually used for security.
With that in mind, it's not exactly reaching to say they might be farming IP too.
The FBI asked for limted access to my customer darabase. I gave them the access they wanted once and watched what they did. They used that account to hack in and deploy malware against my customers and to get total access to my customers, including falsifying data.
They had no warrant, no subpoena, no nothing.
After I kicked them out, they offered help building my company including their writing my code for me.
After I turned them down again, they stole my work and trashed what was on my computers and what was on my web hosting provider.
I received letters claiming I stole code from a competitor.
They showed up in my home without my knowing they were inside. my first indication was when they would toch me as I was writing code, to show how much power they had.
Eventually, I gave up.
I was decorated for valor in combat, and am pretty patriotic about most things, but FUCK THE FBI!
Yes. And about having a leg up on critics & competitors by producing slander and blackmail fodder. And about building safe-space cliques by picking off "undesirables" (aka the uncomfortably complex) from a distance. And for the perk of good old-fashioned invasion of privacy porn. Happy 4th of July!
can we not act like there's only one reason for mass surveillance, that's retarded... it's massive power that's tentacles reach far and wide... IP theft concerns me a lot less than when they start hauling people away in the middle of the night for saying or believing something "extreme" or politically incorrect, like they do/did in communist states.
Lots of insider trading has happened by all these NSA-contracted security firms.
Unit 8200 in Israel and many other companies that make surveillance equipment for spy agencies around the world have gotten really rich with "lucky" stock market investments and technology seemingly invented out of nowhere.
LOTS of former Unit 8200 members went on to to create startups in SIlicon Valley based on technology they most likely stole from other companies.
They pretty much had the same powers as the NSA and could break into any system worldwide.
seriously, if you invent something the government might want, they'll grant the patent and declare it top secret, blocking you from doing anything with it, unles you work for the govmint as a scientific wage slave
Very thing happened to Nikola Tesla. I've been reading through his FBI files recently. Apparently they sent out "alien asset seizure" or some foreign collection agency to his hotel room after his death and broke into his safe, found all of his notes and locations for supplies. The ordeal is that Tesla was US citizen at the time. So what jurisdiction did that agency have? The given reason is that they could gather his work faster than any other agency. Which doesn't support their foreign affairs but for some reason that's totally fine.
Mind you, Teslas end of life work revolved around stuff of fantasy- transmission of wireless energy. Or stuff that could seriously hurt profits for almost every big name out there.
Ever heard the story of George Scherff, as told by Otto Skorzeny, Hitler's bodyguard? Fascinating story...
Apparently 'Curious George' was based on George 'Poppy' Bush, doing industrial espionage as a teenager (under his birth name of George Scherff at the time), in Tesla's laboratory! Also explains why Prescott Bush was involved with financing the Nazis, and accused of 'trading with the enemy' during WWII...
Also free cloud services like Google drive. They're hoping you put your research on Google drive...If you aren't paying for the service, you ARE the service.
Washington gives Israel billions of dollars in annual aid, state-of-the-art weapons and technology, and numerous other special privileges. In return, it steals US state and commercial secrets.
I heard a story from a relative who was involved in genetic research. A friend submitted a paper for peer review. The paper took a LONG time to be peer reviewed. In the mean time, another paper on essentially the same topic got peer reviewed, and it was authored by the person peer reviewing my relative's friend! In other words, their work was held up, so that it could be stolen by someone more well-connected.
Have heard these kinds of stories out of Hollywood as well. Someone write's a script. It gets passed around, but turned down. Then a very similar story is authored by someone who 'may or may not' have read the script being passed around, and hey, what do you know, it is snapped up!
For any work that you plan on taking credit for and there is a risk that it might be stolen, make sure to always mail (snail mail) two or more sealed copies to yourself. This will help you to litigate it later and you'll have proof that you are the original source. Also, don't have it on a computer that is directly connected to the internet and don't talk about it on social media ;)
How so? If you do it right, it does work. You can also take the work to a public notary and get the work and envelope embossed. Forging a notary stamp and US postage marks both come with hefty penalties. All that this does is prove the original source of the work and when it existed.
Makes me wonder if Einstein picked up any of his big ideas while working at the "Swiss Federal Institute of Intellectual Property". Smart enough to understand it, but maybe not smart enough to invent it? Why not position yourself in a job where all new ideas must pass through before being publicly debuted.
I am pretty sure entire books have been written about his plagiarism. Never bothered to read them because the synopsis was convincing enough that it wasn't necessary.
Its called "Full Spectrum Dominance" by the MIC. Its about slavery and control, they see us as cattle(goyim), and cattle need to be forced into the pasture and slaughterhouse. They need to be controlled so they don't say fuck this pasture, and fuck the farmer, I am going somewhere else to be free and live on MY terms. But you are right they do use it to steal from and blackmail whoever they want as well.
Problem is that at any moment, some person inside a government agency might be a dumbass too. The power to look into someone's life amplifies the effect of common stupidities.
Like, let's say someone's very good at planning their work. Because of that, they work very efficiently. Some idiots might see this, and conclude that that person just isn't working very hard, and then go out of their way burden them with stupid tasks and restrict their freedom as a sort of comeuppance. If this happened at work, it would be annoying and a hindrance, but if the idiots got a chance to meddle in that person's personal life, then it could become downright hellish for them.
Even then, a dumbass might just get the idea to finish what great minds of the past have started. Buckminster and Tesla have a lot of groundwork laid out to realistically carry out their goals. If said dumbass were to make significant progress in those goals, would he be stopped? It seems that just having the desire to improve circumstances for all humans is a dangerous enough ideal to those currently in power.
RoundWheel ago
While not specifically IP, we do know from early leaks that trade secretes and developing business opportunities are leveraged with American companies. Basically the way it works is that intelligence is illegally gathered then illegally shared with various congressmen who then participate in reward for leveraging the intelligence. This is in fact how the bulk of gathered intelligence is leveraged. Very little of the information is ever actually used for security.
With that in mind, it's not exactly reaching to say they might be farming IP too.
ScrewyDuck ago
This is one of several times it happened to me:
The FBI asked for limted access to my customer darabase. I gave them the access they wanted once and watched what they did. They used that account to hack in and deploy malware against my customers and to get total access to my customers, including falsifying data.
They had no warrant, no subpoena, no nothing.
After I kicked them out, they offered help building my company including their writing my code for me.
After I turned them down again, they stole my work and trashed what was on my computers and what was on my web hosting provider.
I received letters claiming I stole code from a competitor.
They showed up in my home without my knowing they were inside. my first indication was when they would toch me as I was writing code, to show how much power they had.
Eventually, I gave up.
I was decorated for valor in combat, and am pretty patriotic about most things, but FUCK THE FBI!
Naught405 ago
It's about control of information in general
john_milton ago
Where do you think Israel gets its technology from? Amdocs / Comverse...
citrion ago
Yes. And about having a leg up on critics & competitors by producing slander and blackmail fodder. And about building safe-space cliques by picking off "undesirables" (aka the uncomfortably complex) from a distance. And for the perk of good old-fashioned invasion of privacy porn. Happy 4th of July!
PhilaFerret ago
Don't forget alien saviors.
Marijuana_Merlin ago
So, this is why GRRM uses such outdated shiza to write A Game of Thrones.
solar_flare ago
can we not act like there's only one reason for mass surveillance, that's retarded... it's massive power that's tentacles reach far and wide... IP theft concerns me a lot less than when they start hauling people away in the middle of the night for saying or believing something "extreme" or politically incorrect, like they do/did in communist states.
Voat5000 ago
Lots of insider trading has happened by all these NSA-contracted security firms.
Unit 8200 in Israel and many other companies that make surveillance equipment for spy agencies around the world have gotten really rich with "lucky" stock market investments and technology seemingly invented out of nowhere.
LOTS of former Unit 8200 members went on to to create startups in SIlicon Valley based on technology they most likely stole from other companies.
They pretty much had the same powers as the NSA and could break into any system worldwide.
Kannibal ago
seriously, if you invent something the government might want, they'll grant the patent and declare it top secret, blocking you from doing anything with it, unles you work for the govmint as a scientific wage slave
OKythen ago
Echelon ... Five eyes...
Runaway-White-Slave ago
Yeah actually that occurred to me years ago.....
It also occurred to me it could be anything from computer code to unpublished books, to a whole bunch of other shit stolen.
maltespier ago
oh don't worry, they're the good guys you can trust them
PhilaFerret ago
Do you think will we the the narrative change from evil business to evil government in 2018-2019? Less emasculation?
prairie ago
Oh the irony. Imaginary property is theft from real physical property owners.
ScrewyDuck ago
If you try to start a software or web company you will be given 2 options: Give the FBI total access to everything or be shut down.
God Fuck America on this 4th of July.
ScrewyDuck ago
I have tried to start several such companies and been shut down.
Fuck them all.
Jimmycog ago
That is one of the main reasons.
auggs ago
Very thing happened to Nikola Tesla. I've been reading through his FBI files recently. Apparently they sent out "alien asset seizure" or some foreign collection agency to his hotel room after his death and broke into his safe, found all of his notes and locations for supplies. The ordeal is that Tesla was US citizen at the time. So what jurisdiction did that agency have? The given reason is that they could gather his work faster than any other agency. Which doesn't support their foreign affairs but for some reason that's totally fine.
Mind you, Teslas end of life work revolved around stuff of fantasy- transmission of wireless energy. Or stuff that could seriously hurt profits for almost every big name out there.
TheSeer ago
Ever heard the story of George Scherff, as told by Otto Skorzeny, Hitler's bodyguard? Fascinating story...
Apparently 'Curious George' was based on George 'Poppy' Bush, doing industrial espionage as a teenager (under his birth name of George Scherff at the time), in Tesla's laboratory! Also explains why Prescott Bush was involved with financing the Nazis, and accused of 'trading with the enemy' during WWII...
bannedfromlife ago
Is Obama's mother really still alive? Cool beans.
zetetic_eyes ago
In your research, is there any mention of the super smart John G. Trump?
GoodGodKirk ago
Also free cloud services like Google drive. They're hoping you put your research on Google drive...If you aren't paying for the service, you ARE the service.
toav ago
It's in the terms of service. Google WILL mine your gmail, calendar, location history and documents.
Mosemse ago
And they hand it right over to Israel.
Voat5000 ago
All those Israeli tech startups in Silicon Valley are probably based on stolen research.
Most of the founders of these startups were members of Unit 8200 - Israel's NSA.
There's also lots of insider trading by monitoring conversations of CEOs and bankers around the world.
TheSeer ago
I heard a story from a relative who was involved in genetic research. A friend submitted a paper for peer review. The paper took a LONG time to be peer reviewed. In the mean time, another paper on essentially the same topic got peer reviewed, and it was authored by the person peer reviewing my relative's friend! In other words, their work was held up, so that it could be stolen by someone more well-connected.
Have heard these kinds of stories out of Hollywood as well. Someone write's a script. It gets passed around, but turned down. Then a very similar story is authored by someone who 'may or may not' have read the script being passed around, and hey, what do you know, it is snapped up!
NULL_state ago
For any work that you plan on taking credit for and there is a risk that it might be stolen, make sure to always mail (snail mail) two or more sealed copies to yourself. This will help you to litigate it later and you'll have proof that you are the original source. Also, don't have it on a computer that is directly connected to the internet and don't talk about it on social media ;)
edit: missing word
geneticDiaper ago
this doesn't work
NULL_state ago
How so? If you do it right, it does work. You can also take the work to a public notary and get the work and envelope embossed. Forging a notary stamp and US postage marks both come with hefty penalties. All that this does is prove the original source of the work and when it existed.
geneticDiaper ago
I dunno. I just rememebr that i looked into for patents, but they warned specifically against doing this.
hedidnothingwrong ago
That's something unusual. However there are many things that are very common like :
a reviewer asking that you mention one of his paper (how dare you not cite him?)
someone anticipating who the reviewer is going to be and mentionning this guy's paper in order "to buy him"
a reviewer who knows you, recognized your paper and puts a terrible mark because he simply doesn't like you
a reviewer who gives bad marks to random people hoping that one of his friend gets published instead of the other guys
fasofei ago
Airbus to sue NSA, German spies accused of swiping tech secrets.
voatusernamevoat ago
A very kosher tactic.
Gorillion ago
Makes me wonder if Einstein picked up any of his big ideas while working at the "Swiss Federal Institute of Intellectual Property". Smart enough to understand it, but maybe not smart enough to invent it? Why not position yourself in a job where all new ideas must pass through before being publicly debuted.
TheSeer ago
I am pretty sure entire books have been written about his plagiarism. Never bothered to read them because the synopsis was convincing enough that it wasn't necessary.
voatusernamevoat ago
https://kek.gg/i/5hZb3h.jpg
Now you know.
prairie ago
The antidote is to not idolize people in the first place. "Great, we've got another person helping to advance science. Let's get to work!"
Tancred ago
Yeah but would that throw the baby out with the bathwater?
Idolizing the right people might be good.
vurk ago
This kind of thing is often discussed on the No Agenda podcast.
Another similar theory of theirs is that surveillance is used to get insider trading information.
SunWheel333 ago
Its called "Full Spectrum Dominance" by the MIC. Its about slavery and control, they see us as cattle(goyim), and cattle need to be forced into the pasture and slaughterhouse. They need to be controlled so they don't say fuck this pasture, and fuck the farmer, I am going somewhere else to be free and live on MY terms. But you are right they do use it to steal from and blackmail whoever they want as well.
Reverse-Flash ago
Blackmail. Everything else is just a bonus.
KeksMex ago
Good thing I'm a dumbass.
citrion ago
Problem is that at any moment, some person inside a government agency might be a dumbass too. The power to look into someone's life amplifies the effect of common stupidities.
Like, let's say someone's very good at planning their work. Because of that, they work very efficiently. Some idiots might see this, and conclude that that person just isn't working very hard, and then go out of their way burden them with stupid tasks and restrict their freedom as a sort of comeuppance. If this happened at work, it would be annoying and a hindrance, but if the idiots got a chance to meddle in that person's personal life, then it could become downright hellish for them.
auggs ago
Even then, a dumbass might just get the idea to finish what great minds of the past have started. Buckminster and Tesla have a lot of groundwork laid out to realistically carry out their goals. If said dumbass were to make significant progress in those goals, would he be stopped? It seems that just having the desire to improve circumstances for all humans is a dangerous enough ideal to those currently in power.
KeksMex ago
How much of reality is scripted? Take a read of pieceofmindful.com or mileswmathis.com. Take a deep breath though, you're going down the rabbit hole.
ApprenticeShitposter ago
Don't trust the google patent search, either.
NonyaBidness ago
It's the other way around. IP requires a surveillance state to enforce/protect. Both IP, and surveillance state, should be gotten rid of.
ultrathat ago
that's just a piece of the pie you got to think information and controls the goal.
WakeyWake ago
Ask Kim Dotcom what he thinks about that.