No doubt a good number of Jews have been subversive, or in many cases a non-factor either way, but for the sake of edification this will be an attempt to highlight some of the cases where Jews have been of benefit.
From Leon's The Jewish Question:
http://www.marxists.de/religion/leon/ch3b.htm
The financial support furnished the kings by the Jews was indispensable to them in their struggle against the nobility as well as in their opposition to the growing demands of the cities. It was the Jews who first permitted the kings to maintain costly armies of mercenaries which begin to take the place of the undisciplined hordes of the nobility These armies first served foreign policy. Thus, in Spain, it was in large part Jewish finance which allowed the kings to defeat the Arabs. “In 1263, the Jewish banker Jehudah de Cavallera loans the king [of Aragon] a great sum which permits him to equip a flotilla against the Arabs. In 1276, Cavallera amasses funds for an army which fights the Arabs at Valencia.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Oppenheimer
Samuel Oppenheimer (born June 21, 1630, Heidelberg – May 3, 1703, Vienna) was a Jewish banker, imperial court diplomat, factor, and military supplier for the Holy Roman Emperor. He enjoyed special favor of Emperor Leopold I, to whom he advanced considerable sums of money for the Great Turkish War.
The Great Turkish War, as some may know, included the Battle of Vienna (1683).
http://www.heymannfamily.com/other%20families/Oppenheimer/Samuel%20OPPENHEIMER%20Court%20Jew%201630%20-1703%20HR.jpg
The House of Rothschild:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
The Rothschilds financed the founding of De Beers, as well as Cecil Rhodes on his expeditions in Africa and the creation of the colony of Rhodesia.
The Rothschilds, Disraeli, and the acquisition of the Suez Canal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli
Disraeli was, according to some interpretations, a supporter of the expansion and preservation of the British Empire in the Middle East and Central Asia. In spite of the objections of his own cabinet and without Parliament's consent, he obtained a short-term loan from Lionel de Rothschild in order to purchase 44% of the shares of the Suez Canal Company.
Disraeli is one of my favorite British leaders.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQhVz7rEX6S4qHsyKgA9QPVGLI1T26rRR5kzNEWS_Mp8RN9f7Y9
And...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_de_Sant%C3%A1ngel
Luis de Santángel (or Santander) (died 1498) was a baptized Jew and finance minister to Ferdinand II who made the case to Isabella I in favor of Christopher Columbus' voyage in 1492.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Luis_de_Santangel.jpg
QueenMab_II ago
Oh, darn, that was fun. The upside is that we don't have to look at the Cromwell avatar Joe's been using for the past decade. :D
Joe_McCarthy ago
About the only pro about Voat over the old forum setup is that there is a lot more traffic here, actual and potential. I won't speak for the quality of the posters particularly but we struggled to keep our heads above water activity wise at the old place.
If all of the old members wash up here we'll be doing some good business I reckon.
QueenMab_II ago
None of this excuses the sins of the whole tribe. They are, without a doubt, one of the worst voting blocks in the US in that they vote overwhelmingly leftist. Jews are also at the root of many anti-white, anti-European movements, pro-immigrant, pro-Black movements.
ATX_1138 ago
Voting? That doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of what these people are responsible for.
Joe_McCarthy ago
Their voting patterns, aid to Democrats in terms of financing, and alliance with blacks during the Civil Rights era are the main harmful things they've done that can be substantiated solidly. Most of the other stuff is conspiratorial and unconvincing, unimportant, or essentially irrelevant or less than decisive. I'm far from convinced their immigration lobbying is decisive for example. There are too many other players involved that are more involved and have a more substantial skin in the game.
In general the overkill emphasis on Jews of many pro-white types annoys me and distracts from the really threatening problems.
thefloodcontrol ago
Is the banking angle conspiratorial to you?
Joe_McCarthy ago
Very. I've read Niall Ferguson's two volume work on the Rothschilds, for example, and there isn't really anything there. Even when they were really powerful they did things like finance railroads in the US or bankroll the founding of Rhodesia.
They have part ownership of The Economist though. It has been called the most influential journal in the English speaking world and is very much a font for the immigrationist position. But ironically that holding is unrelated to banking.
ATX_1138 ago
Why do they keep popping up in the most unlikely of places? A gaggle of Jews showed up to help Mao when he was actually in trouble in China. Many of the so-called "Young Turks" who carried out the Armenian Genocide were Jews. Churchill wrote a letter in 1920 speaking candidly about how the Bolsheviks were essentially a Jewish movement. Given the above, when I hear "Sympathy for the Devil" what Mick seems to be describing are Jews.
Joe_McCarthy ago
Well, personally I don't much care about Mao and the Armenian Genocide. Those fall into the unimportant category in my opinion. One can sort of argue the Armenians were asking for it as they were cooperating with the Ottomans' enemy in that war, Russia, and the Armenians aren't really white anyway.
The triumph of Mao probably weakened China and made them less of a long term threat to us.
As for the Bolshevik Revolution I believe the Jewish role there has been substantially overstated but it is a very involved topic. If you're interested here's a good debate:
https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=29409
ATX_1138 ago
Yeah, I have no dog in that Armenian issue personally. But why am I told I MUST be concerned about some real or imagined "Holocaust" which is some term Jews have co-opted for their own (very profitable) victim industry? The Jews were certainly trying to take over Germany.
Joe_McCarthy ago
There's no doubt that the substantial presence of Jews in the media and Hollywood plays a big role in why we hear so much about the Holocaust. Is that a problem? Yeah. But I think there are much bigger problems.
As a people Jews tend to be domineering and assertive. They actively reach out into the affairs of their host nations. This was so in Germany and it provoked a backlash. I don't think the Nazis handled it well though. They took a chainsaw to a cancer operation really. I think the Nazis were probably more damaging to our civilization than Jews and as much as I resist a single minded focus on Jews to call Jews civilizational termites is not an inaccurate characterization.
gloob_ ago
You're kidding, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_inventions_and_discoveries
Joe_McCarthy ago
I can also mention Samuel Gompers, the Jewish labor leader that was instrumental in lobbying the US Congress for passage of the Chinese exclusion laws and the 1924 immigration law that held until 1965. This merits special mention really as it is common to hear how Jews opened the US to Third World immigration.