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President Trump today ordered his administration to develop a polar icebreaking fleet for the Arctic and Antarctic by the end of the decade, saying it’s necessary for national security.
Trump orders U.S. to develop polar ice-breaking fleet for Arctic, Antarctica
President Trump ordered his administration on Tuesday to develop a polar icebreaking fleet for the Arctic and Antarctic by the end of the decade, saying it's necessary for national security.
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Inner Earth? Aliens? Ginormous Penguins?
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hydra12340 ago
Over the years I have read about strange goings on in the Arctics. This will be very interesting What is discovered/released to the public.
Wynterwhisper ago
Nor sure why someone down voted you but I have heard as well. You read about the ice wall? Basically an ice wall that encircles the earth? Supposedly civilians can't visit Antarctica but it definitely leaves much to the imagination about beyond the Ice wall.
redtoe_skipper ago
I've heard about this so called ice wall ... It is a Flat Earth topic of belief. No one has seen this Ice wall, or at least, some people are suspected of having seen it but do not live to tell it.
It is a bit like Blumenthal saying to have every reason to belief the survivor. We all know how that turned out.
Wynterwhisper ago
That's correct. It is a flat Earth theory but you can also look at footage of these massive walls of ice. The theory is not if they exist but more so why they exist.
redtoe_skipper ago
I have to agree that beholding the power of Ice is awesome and impressive. But apart from the emotion of wonder, I see no reason to designate the so called walls of ice as the border of the Earth's periphery, or to even postulate a wildling habitat beyond.
If I remember correctly, there allegedly was some woman who flew across the antarctic and claims to have witnessed these so called walls, but remains nowhere to be found.
I do submit, in the interest of openmindedness, there are certain issues that require better explanation:
- emitting laser light over a distance thought to be below earth curvature.
Another issue, brought to bear on the matter, is the compass sailing circumnavigation. It does proof, the ability to sail around a central point. In and of itself it does not proof the earth to be a globe, as in a flatearth representation is clearly shown. It only means, one could circumnavigate around a central point, this being north pole.
When consulting a traditional Flat earth map, and I am going to go with this one:
https://chizzlewit.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/flat-earth-map-1.jpg
It clearly shows how to navigate from Auckland, New Zealand, to the rugged coast of Chili,Prta Isabel, located on the Darwin Canal, or to the Colombian Coast near Buenaventura (about same longitude)
According to navionics, to sail both these destinations:
Prta Isabel: Distance: 4923 miles. Heading 97 degrees on the compass.
Buenaventura Columbia: 7322 miles, Heading 68 degrees on the compass.
In both cases no, course alterations have to be made, except for maybe an Island or two.
In your flat Earth representation, for the shortest route, I would have to go North -easterly 41 on the compass and it would take several alterations in course to reach destination by default. The route, in both cases, is to go all the way up to California, en than down south to either Chili or Colombia. I would say, at least double the distance.
As an alternative, it is possible to maintain a easterly course along the 33 parallel South, and I would then end up in Ptra Isabel, however, the distance is at least double the distance as calculated by Navionics.
I'd dare you to take a boat and test your FE hypothesis and take that trip. I would be interested in knowing your heading and distance covered.
Wynterwhisper ago
That would be cool to take a boat and do that but the opportunity now is not an option. Thanks for posting all the information. I find the theory of FE vs globe all very interesting especially all of the amateur science that people do to prove their theories.
redtoe_skipper ago
I have an open mind when it comes to science. And, I am sure, there remain quite a number of issues that are neither easily explained as well as explained to how calculate. Our professional science community grew out of an amateur science community. Basically, it was quite gentrified. SO, I can only applaud people who are interested in science to pursue their interest.
As for me, as you can guess from my name, sailing is something near to my heart. In a globe model, sailing the Southern Hemisphere is totally different than, when sailing in an FE model. So, perhaps in terms of challenge to the FE community: go sailing and report your findings plus your log.
Wynterwhisper ago
I always wondered about navigating the ocean and how it would be different now that we have this scientific argument. I mean maps were flat and still are but yet we live on a globe yet still go by a flat map. Sailing is such an awesome experience!
redtoe_skipper ago
Honestly, every time I am bringing out my boat, it feels like wonderful. Simply looking at the wind, setting a course and go. And especially nice, if the calculation, the plan, comes together.
But imagine: all you know, because a guy 2100 years ago calculated, based on differences of angle of the sun in two places on the 21st of June, en the distance between these two places: North to South, that the circumference of the earth must be aprox. 40.000 km.
What most do not tell you is that those 40.000 km are not the circumference on the parallel, but on the longitude. And that the calculation is based on the premise the earth is a globe like object.
Now based on this scanthy knowledge, imagine to embark on a journey in unknown waters, crawling along the parallel west. .... Like Colomb.
Or, like Magelaes, trying to find a way into the pacific despite discovering that the data he set sail on, was not correct, but a designation of Rio de la Plata.
Or like Van Diemen, Tasman, Willem Janzoon, Maarten Gerritzoon De Vries, to discover unknown Islands and landmasses, not knowing what to expect, to exactly know where they are.
Guestimates and pure fantasy often were used to color in details of maps.
But .... early on, attempt were made to create globes.
Piri Reis map .... A tantalizing one .... but look differently to the map. Do you see those lines? What do they designate? Where do they begin and end?
Have you ever seen the 1424 Pizzigano Map? It seems there is an Island on there, looking very much like Puerto Rico, but it is skewed and 90 degrees. Do you know why that is?
Or what about the Waldseemüller map 1507.
But Jean Rotz map 1542, really is beautiful, because he tried to use Lattitudes (parallels were known based on sun height and angle) and longitudes, nicely and evenly divided in 360 degrees circumference.
Take a look at this map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Mercator_1569_world_map_composite.jpg
What you see is a move from representation to high levels of detail and trustworthiness. Compare it to Vinland -map.
But you cannot imagine the world, if you have not seen it.
Wynterwhisper ago
I love your comments. You should write about your adventures. I will look into everything you linked to because it is not anything that I have come across before. I like to delve into all different things about the old ways and knowledge lost to technology. I feel we as a people have lost the ability to think for ourselves, gone are the philosophers and great thinkers and artists and inventors. The bar is being set lower and lower as we lose our homogeny.