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Re: voat.xyz is not VOAT

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:04 am
by SearchVoat
SearchVoat wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:18 am My firm commitment is to allow all US-legal speech here.
From the SearchVoat Forum terms:
Some kinds of content may not be posted outside forums tagged appropriately:
...
Pedo: pedophilic fiction, lolicon, sexualised images of children.
In other words, that kind of material will be tolerated here, but only in forums so marked. Users can set to view/hide those forums in their User Control Panel. You could get banned for posting it anywhere else on this site.

In fact, as yet there are no forums tagged "Pedo" here. But if someone wants to create one I'm ok with that.

Re: voat.xyz is not VOAT

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:08 am
by BrennKommando
SearchVoat wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:04 am
SearchVoat wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:18 am My firm commitment is to allow all US-legal speech here.
From the SearchVoat Forum terms:
Some kinds of content may not be posted outside forums tagged appropriately:
...
Pedo: pedophilic fiction, lolicon, sexualised images of children.
In other words, that kind of material will be tolerated here, but only in forums so marked. Users can set to view/hide those forums in their User Control Panel. You could get banned for posting it anywhere else on this site.

In fact, as yet there are no forums tagged "Pedo" here. But if someone wants to create one I'm ok with that.
Forgive me that I shoehorn it in here, but I have a generalized question that doesn't specifically apply to the searchvoat forums, but "free speech" platforms in general. This seemed like a decent topic to bring it up.

What exactly is the issue with getting rid of users who's only purpose is to disrupt?

Re: voat.xyz is not VOAT

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:00 pm
by tokui
SearchVoat wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:04 am
SearchVoat wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:18 am My firm commitment is to allow all US-legal speech here.
From the SearchVoat Forum terms:
Some kinds of content may not be posted outside forums tagged appropriately:
...
Pedo: pedophilic fiction, lolicon, sexualised images of children.
In other words, that kind of material will be tolerated here, but only in forums so marked. Users can set to view/hide those forums in their User Control Panel. You could get banned for posting it anywhere else on this site.

In fact, as yet there are no forums tagged "Pedo" here. But if someone wants to create one I'm ok with that.
>sexualised

This is the gaping axe wound in your stance. You are allowing mob, brigading - brigading is not just downvote collusion - behavior to squelch unpopular expressions. You already allowed it against me when you deleted my seeming non-sense troll post - god forbid anyone actually troll, that's so chan - which I later informed you was in fact intended as an instructional on color text. Therein lies the danger of permitting opinion brigading and, in answer to @BrennKommando, assuming intentions, demanding justification for expression.

How. By your and others' allowing accusations and slander and libelous labeling to stand in for concrete arguments. You see, you permit the fascist name-calling brigade, and censorship thereby, to flourish when, eg, one posts an innocent image of a sleeping baby, a simple image alone, and the brigade is allowed to cry "child porn!!" and "pedo!!". A hundred times slander, in the name of morals. And in turn one must obligingly argue the 100 spanders in the negative. Do you not see the imbalance of onus? You lower the bar for accusations (censure), while raising the bar for justification of expression.

You are letting the brigaders define and make up imputations of "sexual" where none exists, except in their personal moral opinions and those they might cajole into agreeing. Make up because not even one image I have posted did not come from public and legal sources. Not a single post was "illegal", no matter how many times it is claimed otherwise. And that is all they do: claim, not prove. And for that weak lawfag larp wannabe, to claim that nothing is vetted anywhere and therefore to claim something publicly sourced is no proof of legality: he can blow goats. All images can be searched and verified. Posts can be hidden until verified. Many things, but again there is no repercussion for slander and brigading, only "guilty or not guilty" for the accused.

Your laissez-faire stance on definition could collapse this platform into a sterile echo chamber, tended by colluding mods and their mewling moralfags. You ought to review your procedure for implementation, not only the words, of your TOS.

I appreciate your efforts. I may disagree, but the absence here on your part of virtue flag waving that I recently experienced at the hands of the very owner himself of the fake voat, leading a lynch mob against his own user base, is kindly noted.

Re: voat.xyz is not VOAT

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:51 pm
by tokui
SearchVoat wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:04 am
SearchVoat wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:18 am My firm commitment is to allow all US-legal speech here.
From the SearchVoat Forum terms:
Some kinds of content may not be posted outside forums tagged appropriately:
...
Pedo: pedophilic fiction, lolicon, sexualised images of children.
In other words, that kind of material will be tolerated here, but only in forums so marked. Users can set to view/hide those forums in their User Control Panel. You could get banned for posting it anywhere else on this site.

In fact, as yet there are no forums tagged "Pedo" here. But if someone wants to create one I'm ok with that.
Anyone can review my "vile" posts. I censor nothing. Disagreeable perhaps, I post nothing illicit. Nothing. And when do the knowing accusers get banned?

https://www.voat.xyz/profile.php?user=tokui

Re: voat.xyz is not VOAT

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:10 pm
by tokui
Ven has just now deleted my submissions and comments. You will need to contact him.
Very revealing in itself that he migrated all my info intact.

Re: voat.xyz is not VOAT

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:21 pm
by shewhomustbeobeyed
tokui wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:08 am
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:58 am All pornographers and their customers get the rope.
Oh piss off you downvote fairy. You think I don't see you actively seeking out my comments - **months** past buried comments - to brigade. You are the fucking backstabbing beta coward in every workplace.
Get over yourself, Twinkletoes. I was going over PG posts looking for unarchived links. If you weren't such a cunt, I wouldn't bother.

Re: voat.xyz is not VOAT

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:49 pm
by tokui
Wahaha wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:46 am The major problem with suppressing things that are legal, like was done in this case (if it was done, site is down, no way to confirm), is that it opens up precedent to suppress other things, that are legal, too. On Voat, putt once banned Aged or who it was and the community pushed back hard and eventually he was unbanned. Voat even had a dedicated subverse for drawn porn of children. That's just the kinda place Voat was. There was freedom for everything that's legal, which drawn porn of children is.

You don't have to like it and you can ban it, but then the site is no different from reddit or poal, just with a different flavor of allowed opinions. If that's the direction it's heading in, I'll be out, just like I left poal. I want the possibility to encounter opinions I do not like. I can circle-jerk on my own.
Ven: system 5 points 1 hour ago (+5/-0)*

"He definitely got what he wanted, an excuse to be angry and something to work towards. While I don't believe what he posted was illegal, it was as borderline as you could get. I didn't even ban him, I was willing to give him the chance to make a new account and start fresh. But fuck this piece of shit. They can try to cancel me all they want. But it won't stop the site. If I get cancelled again I will get another host. And another. I will self host it if I have to. You cannot stop it."

His own admission. Also, my entire acct content was also migrated, then subsequently deleted. This guy has turned out badly, he is not, imo, even mod material. Putt? He couldn't carry his shoes let alone wear them.

Source:
https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost.php?postid=6068e46d98758

Re: voat.xyz is not VOAT

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:04 pm
by Wahaha
SearchVoat wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:04 am
SearchVoat wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:18 am My firm commitment is to allow all US-legal speech here.
From the SearchVoat Forum terms:
Some kinds of content may not be posted outside forums tagged appropriately:
...
Pedo: pedophilic fiction, lolicon, sexualised images of children.
In other words, that kind of material will be tolerated here, but only in forums so marked. Users can set to view/hide those forums in their User Control Panel. You could get banned for posting it anywhere else on this site.

In fact, as yet there are no forums tagged "Pedo" here. But if someone wants to create one I'm ok with that.
That's swell with me then, thanks for chiming in.
Might create something like that eventually to prove the point.

I don't think anything I saw from tokui would fall under that, though. He's being more of a general niggerfaggot, so it's hard to take offense at his tomfooleries. At least on my part. I can see how one would get tired of it.

BrennKommando wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:08 amWhat exactly is the issue with getting rid of users who's only purpose is to disrupt?
It's hard to prove intent and comes down to being jaded from seeing people banned for nothing from other places. Especially since Voat was mainly made up of the people that got banned. So there's some sort of camaraderie and general displeasure at the concept of banning. At least that's how I feel.

Ignoring the nonsense isn't that hard and serves as a canary of sorts. If you see these types of users left alone, you don't have to worry about who is going to get shadowbanned for what next. Having a free and unrestrained place means having to deal with a couple of douchebags instead of having to deal with the thought police. It's a pick your poison kind of deal. Striking a balance is hard.

Re: voat.xyz is not VOAT

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:07 pm
by uvulectomy
You fucking yids always use this particular thing as a wedge. Walking right up to the line and waving your beaks, daring someone to do something.

If you get banned, you kvetch about censorship and "this site doesn't really support free speech" to drive users away, never explaining that you were pushed out for lusting after children. - "The jew will always tell you what happened. But he will never tell you why it happened."

If you're allowed to stay, you go running off to slander the site as supporting pedos, enabling you to both drive normies away and try to get it taken down. - "The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you."

We See You...

Re: voat.xyz is not VOAT

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:33 pm
by Wahaha
I'm pretty sure goats don't need Jews to drive normies away and expanding boundaries isn't necessarily a bad thing. Today's boundaries also include not being allowed to say the words that sound even similar to the word nigger.

I agree with your general point, but I don't think it applies all that well to this issue.

If everyone could just stop getting offended over words and drawings, that would be really nice.