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Cynabuns wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:14 am

Vindicator wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:07 am
Yep. They nuked mine today while I was AFK setting my youngest up at college.

Damn, that sucks V. Had you done an archive recently, did you see it coming?

No, I didn't archive. I've kind of expected to be purged at some point, but they've always overlooked me because I only had like 1500 followers, so a bit of a surprise. I set up a Parler account months ago, but have rarely used it. Most of those I followed on Twitter are gone now, though, so it doesn't really matter.

I was able to get a link from an anon last week after posting a prayer request on Twitter to help my 86 year old stepdad get hydroxychlorquine (he contracted Covid last week).

Vindicator wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:21 am I was able to get a link from an anon last week after posting a prayer request on Twitter to help my 86 year old stepdad get hydroxychlorquine (he contracted Covid last week).

That's really amazing, people helping people, this is what life is about. Praying your stepdad is doing better and fully recovers soon.

Vindicator wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:07 am

MadWorld wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:03 am Today I saw POTUS' twitter account got suspended. They can do that to our President, they can do it to anyone who stood up to them.

Yep. They nuked mine today while I was AFK setting my youngest up at college.

Not surprised, they have people watching over your PG community.

I hope your stepdad get well soon... May God bless him to a full recovery...

Thanks MadWorld. He sounds like absolute HELL over the phone. Can barely talk. He is at home now, getting HCQ and azithromycin as well as hospice care and oxygen. My mom called a priest to come give him Last Rites/Annointing of the Sick and that piece of shit was too scared to come into the house. He talked to him through the window and administered the sacrament "Spiritually". That's not supposed to be done except when you *can't* get to a priest. Priests have to *actually anoint you with the oil*. It may not even be a valid sacrament if they don't; I don' t know. Gayest thing I've ever seen.

Vindicator wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:15 am Thanks MadWorld. He sounds like absolute HELL over the phone. Can barely talk. He is at home now, getting HCQ and azithromycin as well as hospice care and oxygen. My mom called a priest to come give him Last Rites/Annointing of the Sick and that piece of shit was too scared to come into the house. He talked to him through the window and administered the sacrament "Spiritually". That's not supposed to be done except when you *can't* get to a priest. Priests have to *actually anoint you with the oil*. It may not even be a valid sacrament if they don't; I don' t know. Gayest thing I've ever seen.

@PeaceSeeker, do you know if it's a valid sacrament for a priest to deny someone the matter of the sacrament and only offer it "spiritually"? This sounds fake and gay to me.

I know in an emergency if you cannot get access to the sacraments you can make a spiritual Confession, or receive the Baptism of Intent, and of course you can always make a Spiritual Communion validly, but I never heard of priests being able to dispense with messy oil, water or hosts and offer them "spiritually" because they were chickenshit.

Backstory: my 86 year old stepfather is likely dying of Covid and has been unable to get the sacraments.

I thought the treatment needs HCQ and Zinc together. I have seen a few documentary about using Quercetin as Zinc ionophore. Quercetin is non-prescription supplement.

Vindicator wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:21 am

Vindicator wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:15 am Thanks MadWorld. He sounds like absolute HELL over the phone. Can barely talk. He is at home now, getting HCQ and azithromycin as well as hospice care and oxygen. My mom called a priest to come give him Last Rites/Annointing of the Sick and that piece of shit was too scared to come into the house. He talked to him through the window and administered the sacrament "Spiritually". That's not supposed to be done except when you *can't* get to a priest. Priests have to *actually anoint you with the oil*. It may not even be a valid sacrament if they don't; I don' t know. Gayest thing I've ever seen.

@PeaceSeeker, do you know if it's a valid sacrament for a priest to deny someone the matter of the sacrament and only offer it "spiritually"? This sounds fake and gay to me.

I know in an emergency if you cannot get access to the sacraments you can make a spiritual Confession, or receive the Baptism of Intent, and of course you can always make a Spiritual Communion validly, but I never heard of priests being able to dispense with messy oil, water or hosts and offer them "spiritually" because they were chickenshit.

Backstory: my 86 year old stepfather is likely dying of Covid and has been unable to get the sacraments.

It's outrageous that we think we're in a situation where we even have to consider this.

I understand how the priest might find it problematic if he were to catch COVID and then be forced to self-isolate for 14 days, or even if he were to die (not that that's likely at all, unless he's much older than most priests still active). "What about everyone else who needs the sacraments"? He might ask. So it could be more than fear.

Not to excuse him. He should administer the sacraments unless *physically unable*. Even during the bubonic plague our priests still administered the sacraments - and it's not as if they didn't realize the risk, with people dropping dead all around them. They wore those iconic masks for a reason. *They* were true heroes.

Your right, that there are "spiritual" forms of the sacraments, like perfect contrition, spiritual Communion, or baptism of desire. I'm not as familiar with "spiritual annoiting of the sick", but even if there is such a thing, it would be just as efficacious as these "spiritual" forms of the other sacraments - which is to say, salvation remains possible, but lacking the fullness of the graces, more time may have to be spent in Purgatory if he is unable to receive the proper sacrament.

The Confession part of the sacrament would have been fully valid, of course. (But confessions done over the phone are not). So I would say at best, he received valid Absolution, with "some" graces despite the lack of anointing, and at worst, he received valid Absolution, but gained basically no graces from the lack of anointing.

PeaceSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:41 am it would be just as efficacious as these "spiritual" forms of the other sacraments - which is to say, salvation remains possible, but lacking the fullness of the graces, more time may have to be spent in Purgatory if he is unable to receive the proper sacrament.

The Confession part of the sacrament would have been fully valid, of course. (But confessions done over the phone are not). So I would say at best, he received valid Absolution, with "some" graces despite the lack of anointing, and at worst, he received valid Absolution, but gained basically no graces from the lack of anointing.

Yeah...that's pretty much what I thought. My understanding is that the recipient can seek a "spiritual" Sacrament in an emergency when access to the Sacraments is not possible. I've never heard of priests being allowed to offer "spiritual" Sacraments in lieu of actual Sacraments just because they thought it was a good idea.

I pointed this out to my mother today, who has been quite hard-hearted about the whole situation. I think she doesn't really believe God actually requires the Sacraments. She said "I wasn't about to get after those poor old priests for being terrified." (They were Franciscans from the local abby who do this on a volunteer basis, not the parish priest, who has taken an extended vacation to his home in Nigeria o_O ).

I said "Oh really? Mom, those "poor" priests are going to go to Hell for denying people who are dying the Sacraments they took an oath to faithfully deliver. They're going around giving "spiritual" annointings that aren't worth jack shit, and leading people to believe they've received a valid Sacrament. And as a matter of fact, you're culpable as well, because you knew what they were doing was wrong, but failed to urge them to fulfill their vows. They obviously completely lack supernatural Faith. They don't believe in their own vocations. They probably don't really believe in God as anything other than a nice idea. They need a kick in the ass so they don't end up toasting on a slow spit for eternity. Have you told the Bishop this is going on?"

Of course she hasn't. She then proceeded to blame the archdiocese for not having an emergency number listed she could call to get a priest to come.

This is the world we live in. What a shitshow.