Vindicator wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:21 am
Vindicator wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:15 am
Thanks MadWorld. He sounds like absolute HELL over the phone. Can barely talk. He is at home now, getting HCQ and azithromycin as well as hospice care and oxygen. My mom called a priest to come give him Last Rites/Annointing of the Sick and that piece of shit was too scared to come into the house. He talked to him through the window and administered the sacrament "Spiritually". That's not supposed to be done except when you *can't* get to a priest. Priests have to *actually anoint you with the oil*. It may not even be a valid sacrament if they don't; I don' t know. Gayest thing I've ever seen.
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PeaceSeeker, do you know if it's a valid sacrament for a priest to deny someone the matter of the sacrament and only offer it "spiritually"? This sounds fake and gay to me.
I know in an emergency if you cannot get access to the sacraments you can make a spiritual Confession, or receive the Baptism of Intent, and of course you can always make a Spiritual Communion validly, but I never heard of priests being able to dispense with messy oil, water or hosts and offer them "spiritually" because they were chickenshit.
Backstory: my 86 year old stepfather is likely dying of Covid and has been unable to get the sacraments.
It's outrageous that we think we're in a situation where we even have to consider this.
I understand how the priest might find it problematic if he were to catch COVID and then be forced to self-isolate for 14 days, or even if he were to die (not that that's likely at all, unless he's much older than most priests still active). "What about everyone else who needs the sacraments"? He might ask. So it could be more than fear.
Not to excuse him. He should administer the sacraments unless *physically unable*. Even during the bubonic plague our priests still administered the sacraments - and it's not as if they didn't realize the risk, with people dropping dead all around them. They wore those iconic masks for a reason. *They* were true heroes.
Your right, that there are "spiritual" forms of the sacraments, like perfect contrition, spiritual Communion, or baptism of desire. I'm not as familiar with "spiritual annoiting of the sick", but even if there is such a thing, it would be just as efficacious as these "spiritual" forms of the other sacraments - which is to say, salvation remains possible, but lacking the fullness of the graces, more time may have to be spent in Purgatory if he is unable to receive the proper sacrament.
The Confession part of the sacrament would have been fully valid, of course. (But confessions done over the phone are not). So I would say at best, he received valid Absolution, with "some" graces despite the lack of anointing, and at worst, he received valid Absolution, but gained basically no graces from the lack of anointing.