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doginventer wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:06 pm
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
2 Peter 3 KJV
I take this warning very seriously.

2 Peter 3:16
-in which are some things hard to be understood,-

Words have meanings.

Strong's Lexicon
https://biblehub.com/strongs/2_peter/3-16.htm
hard to understand
δυσνόητά (dysnoēta) - Greek
Adjective - Nominative Neuter Plural
Strong's Greek 1425: Hard to understand.
From dus- and a derivative of noieo; difficult of perception.

dysnoēta

https://biblehub.com/greek/1418.htm
dus-:
Definition: Difficult, hard, bad, ill
Meaning: like un- or mis- (as in unrest, misjudge), nullifies good sense or increases bad sense of a word.

Difficult or hard.
So far so good. I won't comment on bad and ill, for now.

https://biblehub.com/greek/453.htm
anoétos:
Definition: Foolish, unwise, senseless
Meaning: foolish, thoughtless.

Foolish, unwise, senseless.
Uhoh, I smell burnt toast. You smell anything? Kinda smells like rome.
I think the bible might have been touched by the lying pen of the scribes.

Hard to understand? I think it means poppycock, balderdash and bullshit.
I'm going to obey The Apostle Peter, and stay the hell away from brother paul.

I do wonder why any church would risk preaching his words. foolish bad thoughtless ill
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shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:56 pm
doginventer wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:06 pm
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
2 Peter 3 KJV
Imma K.I.S.S. girl. All the way. (K.I.S.S. = keep it simple, stupid)
Uhuh

I take this warning very seriously.

2 Peter 3:16
-in which are some things hard to be understood,-

Words have meanings.

Strong's Lexicon
https://biblehub.com/strongs/2_peter/3-16.htm
hard to understand
δυσνόητά (dysnoēta) - Greek
Adjective - Nominative Neuter Plural
Strong's Greek 1425: Hard to understand.
From dus- and a derivative of noieo; difficult of perception.

dysnoēta

https://biblehub.com/greek/1418.htm
dus-:
Definition: Difficult, hard, bad, ill
Meaning: like un- or mis- (as in unrest, misjudge), nullifies good sense or increases bad sense of a word.

Difficult or hard.
So far so good. I won't comment on bad and ill, for now.

https://biblehub.com/greek/453.htm
anoétos:
Definition: Foolish, unwise, senseless
Meaning: foolish, thoughtless.

Foolish, unwise, senseless.
Uhoh, I smell burnt toast. You smell anything? Kinda smells like rome.
I think the bible might have been touched by the lying pen of the scribes.

Hard to understand? I think it means poppycock, balderdash and bullshit.
I'm going to obey The Apostle Peter, and stay the hell away from brother paul.

I do wonder why any church would risk preaching his words. foolish bad thoughtless ill
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I need help. I can't find where the Apostles endorsed brother pauls ministry. All my study books are packed in boxes, atm. Where is it?
doginventer wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:20 pm sufficient to gain the support of Peter, James, and all the apostles,
And, I don't understand your last response.
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shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:48 pm I need help. I can't find where the Apostles endorsed brother pauls ministry. All my study books are packed in boxes, atm. Where is it?
doginventer wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:20 pm sufficient to gain the support of Peter, James, and all the apostles,
And, I don't understand your last response.
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 15 KJV

17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.
23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
Acts 21 KJV
Imma K.I.S.S. girl. All the way. (K.I.S.S. = keep it simple, stupid)
For me simplicity comes by praying for the holy spirit to guide me as I study scripture.
Forgive me if I’m wrong but it seems to me that you are seeking for the truth outside the scriptures and are finding complex, well constructed and presented attacks upon Paul which are comprised of many surmisings and suspicions, which collectively may feel convincing, but which individually, point by point, don’t seem to me to be justified within the Word.
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Thanks for the help. Most grateful.
doginventer wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 8:20 pm For me simplicity comes by praying for the holy spirit to guide me as I study scripture.
Forgive me if I’m wrong but it seems to me that you are seeking for the truth outside the scriptures and are finding complex, well constructed and presented attacks upon Paul which are comprised of many surmisings and suspicions, which collectively may feel convincing, but which individually, point by point, don’t seem to me to be justified within the Word.
Prayer before study gives the greatest rewards, in all subjects. My problem with paul is that no one ever told me he was a 'good guy', before I read his books. I had learned that Jesus and his 12 Apostles were the good guys. I found that to be truth.
When i decided to read the rest of NT(the books w/out red letters), I believed pauls words, as written. There wasn't any paid minister around to interpret his words, no pedofaggot in a robe to tell me what they really meant. I took him at face value.
First thing I found is the dude couldn't maffs, he was the only one calling himself an apostle. HE said he was a muderer, a twofaced liar, and a thief. I believed him. He was abusive to women, specifically widows. He also bounced up and down like a yoyo. As a victim of narcissism within my family, I recognized the same patterns in his words. Reading him gave me severe stomach aches, just like my fam did.
When I finally got through his books, and on to the rest of NT. It was just like reading a rebuttal to everything he wrote. Especially Revelations. So I prayed for Jesus to help. The answer was, ignore him. So I did.
It wasn't until I went to churches that I was told, "Youre going to hell if you don't accept paul", "paul didn't mean that, he meant this" "you're just a girl, you'll never be able to understand". When I went to high school i found out that the men who told me those things, were extremely low IQd, compared to me. At 17 I decided to stay out of paulinian churches, and find a church that didn't preach his brand of salvation, just Jesus. There aren't any.
So since churchianity assures me Im going to hell, I'm going to go without paul. Judgement day is going to be very interesting, i think.
I did not seek the things I'm posting, they found me. I'm continually blown away by the things the Spirit shows me. And now I know I'm not alone.
But what do I know? I'm just a woman going to hell, ask any paulinist, they'll promise it.
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I did not seek the things I'm posting, they found me.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Matthew 7 KJV
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Paul's Contradictions of Jesus

It's not about the times paul agrees with Jesus.
It's all about the times he doesn't.
Once is too much.

https://www.jesuswordsonly.org/topicind ... jesus.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20241007140 ... jesus.html - https://archive.is/kXLsA

pauls contradictions to Messiah are sourced in the article. It's a long article, 'cuz paul was a windbag.
• Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok.

• Jesus Says The Law Continues, But Paul Says No.

• Paul Says The Pharisees Followed The Law Rigorously, But Jesus Says They Were Lax About The Law.

• Jesus Says Salvation Initiates And Continues By Repentance From Sin and Obedience Besides Faith; Paul Says This is Heresy.

• Jesus Tells Apostles To Teach His Commands Given Prior to His Ascension While In The Flesh, But Paul Says Not To Do So.

• Paul Says Elders Are Entitled To Pay for 'Preaching & Teaching,' But Jesus Says No.

• Jesus Teaches There Are Only 12 Apostles Into Eternity, But Paul Adds Himself To The List As a Thirteenth.

• Paul Exhorts Celibacy, But Jesus Clearly Says It is A Choice Not Within Everyone's Power.

• Jesus Says There Is One Pastor and Teacher (Himself), But Paul Tells Church He is a Teacher, & There Are Many Pastors and Teachers.

• Paul Says God Is The God of the Dead, But Jesus Says God Is Not The God of the Dead.

• Paul Says God Does Not Live in Temples Made of Human Hands, But Jesus Says He Does.

• Jesus says Nations Of The World Are Under Satan, But Paul Says Its Rulers Are Agents of God.

• Jesus Teaches Rapture is Of Evil Ones First, But Paul Teaches The Opposite.

• Jesus Says A Call Is Revocable, But Paul Says It Is Irrevocable.

• Jesus Says Some Are Righteous, But Paul Says It Is Impossible.

• Paul Excludes Eating With Sinners But Christ's Example We Are To Follow, and the Lost Sheep Parable, Is Contrary.

• Paul Teaches We Are Eternally Secure, But Jesus Teaches Insecurity to a Sinning Believer.

• Paul Teaches In Original Sin But Jesus Contradicts.

• Paul Denies Obedience Grants Any Righteousness Unto Life, But Jesus & Exodus 20:6 Both Says It Does.

• Jesus Sends The Apostles to Baptize, But Paul Says Jesus Did Not Send Him to Baptize.

• Jesus Says Only the Merciful Receive Mercy, But Paul Says Only Those God Chooses Arbitrarily Will Receive Mercy.

• Paul Says Salvation Does Not Depend Upon Exertion, But Jesus Says It Does.

• Paul Says He Could Be Justified of The Sin that Never Could be Justified under the Law given Moses (Blasphemy), but Jesus says to the contrary that it is The Unpardonable Sin.

• Paul Says Flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God, but Jesus in Flesh ascended to heaven, and promises to resurrect our bodies likewise to the Kingdom of the New Jerusalem, giving us the same physical resurrection that Jesus had.
Poor brother paul. Seems like every time he opened his mouth, all his brains fell out.
Clean up on aisle 5.
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shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:07 pm
1st claim:
• Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok.

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Matthew 15:11 KJV

14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Mark 7 KJV



22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Acts 15 KJV

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Romans 14 KJV

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1 Corinthians 5 KJV

14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
1 Corinthians 10 KJV

28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
1 Corinthians 10 KJV

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2 Corinthians 6 KJV

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5 KJV

1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Ephesians 5 KJV

1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Colossians 3 KJV


With these passages in mind, and in the light of Peter’s advice:


14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2 Peter 3 KJV


Now we can approach one of these passages “ which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. “


1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him. 4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. 9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. 13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
1 Corinthians 8 KJV


Tom Stapleton (alluding to Jacob wrestling with the Angel)
“You really have to wrestle with Paul’s writing, but if you won’t let the words go until they bless you, the blessing is fantastic.”


I’m pretty sure at this stage that you’re not reading any of this except to post the next bit of nonsense…
Poor brother paul. Seems like every time he opened his mouth, all his brains fell out. Clean up on aisle 5.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2 Peter 3 KJV

… But if you are interested then the book of Isaiah has some beautiful words to add on this subject:


3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.
4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?
6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.
9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
Isaiah 58 KJV
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Re: I Guess Paul’s Writings Are Inspired After All

Post by shewhomustbeobeyed »

These are Messiah's words, all of them. For someone to say that Jesus was talking about meat sacrificed to idols in Matt 15:11, is to call him a liar in Rev 2. Verboten, to me and a few others, i find.
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Matthew 15:11 KJV
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
Revelations 2:6 KJV
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
Revelation 2:14-15 KJV
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Revelation 2:20 kjv

The Apostle Jacob(James), brother of Jesus said.
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:20 kjv
As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
Acts 21:25 kjv
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Acts 15:29 kjv
Good stuff, I think.


These are also pauls words. Seems you left them out, in your quote.
25 Whatever in the meat-market is sold eat ye, not inquiring, because of the conscience,
26 for the Lord's [is] the earth, and its fulness;
27 and if any one of the unbelieving do call you, and ye wish to go, all that is set before you eat, nothing inquiring, because of the conscience;
1 Corinthians 10:25-27 YLT Young's Literal Translation
Whatever in the meat-market is sold eat ye, not inquiring
Dumbest Man Ever! Question Everything a Butcher/grocer does. OR do it yourself. Common sense, to me.

paul wrote.
It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Romans 14:21 kjv
Too bad he wasn't able to take his own advise.


Brother paul's message is that long pork is nothing, just a meal. If I'm weak, I'll follow Messiah, the Real Apostles, and the Law.
If I'm strong, like he is, I'll follow him, and possibly end up being a cannibal.
I choose to be weak. Why? Nobody is going to be answering to paul, come judgement. No Not One.
I’m pretty sure at this stage that you’re not reading any of this
And with this you've cut me. Well done.
but you are mistaken
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