The Moment Rittenhouse Trial Collapses

[chrimony]

I'm not even going to bother with you,

That's because you lost and can't handle it.

if all you have is "lulz" and cognitive dissonance.

The cognitive dissonance is on your end. I quoted from the video one officer asking to put him on his side, and Chauvin saying he was going to keep him where he was and that he put him down on his stomach. I posted a photo showing Chauvin kneeling on his neck with both of Floyd's shoulders parallel to the ground. But you keep insisting he was "on his side". Which means you're a lying piece of shit denying the words of the officers on video, the video itself, and a plain-as-day photo. Go fuck yourself.

Even your pic doesn't show his entire body.

It shows both his shoulders on the ground, which means he's not "on his side", duh. If you'd actually watch the video, you'd see he was trying to turn on his side by lifting his right side, so at times his right hip is raised. At some point he gives up, shudders, and remains unresponsive, completely on his stomach, around the time when Concerned Officer says he is passing out.

age restricted

So fucking what? Are you not old enough? Don't have an account? How many alt accounts have you created to evade bans or talk about yourself in the 3rd person?

Keep REEEing for the nigger, though. Looks real good on here.

Unlike you, I stand on the side of truth, regardless of where it falls. Which is why I stuck up for you and told the truth after you got banned on fauxVoat, twice, even when practically the entire community of fauxVoat was against me and willing to throw you under the bus, including people who used to be on your side.

[antiliberalsociety]

I'm not even going to bother with you,

That's because you lost and can't handle it.

if all you have is "lulz" and cognitive dissonance.

The cognitive dissonance is on your end. I quoted from the video one officer asking to put him on his side, and Chauvin saying he was going to keep him where he was and that he put him down on his stomach. I posted a photo showing Chauvin kneeling on his neck with both of Floyd's shoulders parallel to the ground. But you keep insisting he was "on his side". Which means you're a lying piece of shit denying the words of the officers on video, the video itself, and a plain-as-day photo. Go fuck yourself.

Even your pic doesn't show his entire body.

It shows both his shoulders on the ground, which means he's not "on his side", duh. If you'd actually watch the video, you'd see he was trying to turn on his side by lifting his right side, so at times his right hip is raised. At some point he gives up, shudders, and remains unresponsive, completely on his stomach, around the time when Concerned Officer says he is passing out.

age restricted

So fucking what? Are you not old enough? Don't have an account? How many alt accounts have you created to evade bans or talk about yourself in the 3rd person?

Keep REEEing for the nigger, though. Looks real good on here.

Unlike you, I stand on the side of truth, regardless of where it falls. Which is why I stuck up for you and told the truth after you got banned on fauxVoat, twice, even when practically the entire community of fauxVoat was against me and willing to throw you under the bus, including people who used to be on your side.

> RRREEEEEEEEEeeeeeerrrr

You do realize what you look like right now, right?

I side with truth as well, like the ME report that stated no indication of asphyxiation, thus the knee didn't make any difference. If he let Floyd go, he'd have died behind the wheel with a carful of people when the OD kicked in. Hence the term "excited delirium". Look up what that means. The simple fact that you don't know kills your argument.

I'm not making a jewtube account to watch the edited kiked version that doesn't show the whole thing. So don't get your panties in a wad.

He was on his side, he asked to lie down, and I don't give a shit if you're butthurt about his knee pressing that niggers neck - it didn't cause his death and that's been proven. His lungs and his airway were just fine - if his airway was blocked - HE WOULD'NT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAY HE COULDNT BREATHE ya dumbass.

But hey, listen to the guy with jewtube links that never took that training. He's our local expert. Perhaps he can tell us about abandonment or chain of care?

Keep going, it's almost comical at this point.

[chrimony]

You do realize what you look like right now, right?

It's funny that you think I give of a fuck what you or anybody else thinks about me, when all I'm doing is telling the truth, while you deny video evidence, the words of the officers involved, and a plain-as-day picture.

I side with truth as well, like the ME report that stated no indication of asphyxiation, thus the knee didn't make any difference.

If you sided with the truth, you wouldn't deny the words of the officers, the video, or the plain-as-day picture. Now you retreat to what the medical examiner says about asphyxiation. Medical examiners exonerated the police in the death of Tony Timpa, but in that case you find fault with the officers. You have no consistency, because you aren't dealing in truth.

If he let Floyd go, he'd have died behind the wheel with a carful of people when the OD kicked in. Hence the term "excited delirium". Look up what that means. The simple fact that you don't know kills your argument.

You're moving the goalposts. Now it's he would have died anyways in a car crash. Pathetic. And it's not that he should have let him go, he should have sat him upright or put him on his back. But instead he left him on his stomach with his knee on his neck for a full four minutes after he had stopped moving, completely, in what you comically term the "rescue position".

I'm not making a jewtube account to watch the edited kiked version that doesn't show the whole thing. So don't get your panties in a wad.

How do you know it's edited and doesn't show the whole thing, if you haven't watched it? It's not edited, it shows the whole thing. It's a 30 minute video from a single body cam. It shows him from the time he's initially arrested until the time he's put in the ambulance. You can make all kinds of excuses about why you won't watch it, but it's obvious you can't handle the truth. Not that it matters if you watch it or not, since you'll lie about a plain-as-day photo.

He was on his side, he asked to lie down, and I don't give a shit if you're butthurt about his knee pressing that niggers neck - it didn't cause his death and that's been proven. His lungs and his airway were just fine - if his airway was blocked - HE WOULD'NT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAY HE COULDNT BREATHE ya dumbass.

More "on his side" bullshit. *yawn* And Tony TImpa was also talking when he was face down. But in that case you aren't making any excuses for the officers, now are you? Are you too stupid to realize that you can have trouble breathing, while still having enough breath to talk? That making it more difficult to breathe can push somebody over the edge? Both Floyd and Timpa were on drugs, and it contributed to their death.

But hey, listen to the guy with jewtube links that never took that training. He's our local expert. Perhaps he can tell us about abandonment or chain of care?

Let's instead listen to the guy that looks at a photo that shows Floyd with both his shoulders on the ground and says that he's on his side. But you're the "expert" because you took "training", right? Fucking clown.

[antiliberalsociety]

You do realize what you look like right now, right?

It's funny that you think I give of a fuck what you or anybody else thinks about me, when all I'm doing is telling the truth, while you deny video evidence, the words of the officers involved, and a plain-as-day picture.

Your jewtube and JewMedia approved* version of the truth.

I side with truth as well, like the ME report that stated no indication of asphyxiation, thus the knee didn't make any difference.

If you sided with the truth, you wouldn't deny the words of the officers, the video, or the plain-as-day picture. Now you retreat to what the medical examiner says about asphyxiation. Medical examiners exonerated the police in the death of Tony Timpa, but in that case you find fault with the officers. You have no consistency, because you aren't dealing in truth.

Kind of like how you ignored the fact his partner called it specifically excited delirium? How is it retreating to a fact I stated from the beginning? He was within policy even though they completely cucked to save their jobs and said he wasn't. Omar said she was going to get it changed but never did (election promise). The ME report, before they had to get the BCA to tell the approved narrative version of events, stated very clearly that there were no signs of asphyxiation as you would see in a strangulation case, be it by hand or rope.

If he let Floyd go, he'd have died behind the wheel with a carful of people when the OD kicked in. Hence the term "excited delirium". Look up what that means. The simple fact that you don't know kills your argument.

You're moving the goalposts. Now it's he would have died anyways in a car crash. Pathetic.

He would have died anyways after swallowing that amount of fentanyl as he did. There's no denying that fact. If he was driving, yes he would have crashed after losing consciousness unless he had the sense to stop knowing he had a problem. You're trying to make it out like I said the crash would have been the cause of death, so who's trying to move the goalposts?

And it's not that he should have let him go, he should have sat him upright or put him on his back. But instead he left him on his stomach with his knee on his neck for a full four minutes after he had stopped moving, completely, in what you comically term the "rescue position".

And what would that have changed? Other than bad optics? Do you have any argument beyond emotions?

I'm not making a jewtube account to watch the edited kiked version that doesn't show the whole thing. So don't get your panties in a wad.

How do you know it's edited and doesn't show the whole thing, if you haven't watched it? It's not edited, it shows the whole thing. It's a 30 minute video from a single body cam. It shows him from the time he's initially arrested until the time he's put in the ambulance. You can make all kinds of excuses about why you won't watch it, but it's obvious you can't handle the truth. Not that it matters if you watch it or not, since you'll lie about a plain-as-day photo.

Post the fucking archive then, it still doesn't change the fact you have to ignore the excited delirium comment confirming his overdose. Since you won't educate yourself, I will.

Excited delirium is the panic mode a person goes through during an OD. They over heat, often strip off their clothes, and develop super human strength with the adrenaline rush. It's also likely they have a mere minutes to a couple hours to live. You see it a lot in meth overdoses.

You do realize he was hospitalized the previous April for exactly that, right? He was caught dealing drugs, and swallowed the evidence. The cops brought him to HCMC for? An OD on Fentanyl. But you're real smart so I bet you knew that.

He was on his side, he asked to lie down, and I don't give a shit if you're butthurt about his knee pressing that niggers neck - it didn't cause his death and that's been proven. His lungs and his airway were just fine - if his airway was blocked - HE WOULD'NT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAY HE COULDNT BREATHE ya dumbass.

More "on his side" bullshit. *yawn* And Tony TImpa was also talking when he was face down. But in that case you aren't making any excuses for the officers, now are you? Are you too stupid to realize that you can have trouble breathing, while still having enough breath to talk? That making it more difficult to breathe can push somebody over the edge? Both Floyd and Timpa were on drugs, and it contributed to their death.

But hey, listen to the guy with jewtube links that never took that training. He's our local expert. Perhaps he can tell us about abandonment or chain of care?

Let's instead listen to the guy that looks at a photo that shows Floyd with both his shoulders on the ground and says that he's on his side. But you're the "expert" because you took "training", right? Fucking clown.

Your retardation isn't even worth it. Timpa wasn't overdosing, nor was the knee in the neck. Again, in the middle of accusing me of lying and moving goal posts you yourself are doing exactly that. What argument are you even attempting here? If he didn't use his knee he wouldn't have been persecuted?

[chrimony]

Your jewtube and JewMedia approved* version of the truth.

Uh huh. So you're gonna claim that the 30 minute body cam footage was a Hollywood production? Even when it's corroborated by other independent videos taken at the scene? And the photo that I posted, you made a pathetic excuse that it didn't show his whole body, but it did show both his shoulders on the ground, is he still "on his side" in that photo, or is that now part of the "JewMedia approved version of the truth"?

Funny how you're willing to take the testimony of the ME and Chauvin's attorney at face value, but deny video evidence of what actually happened. Clown.

Kind of like how you ignored the fact his partner called it specifically excited delirium?

The very same officer that asked to put him on his side, and Chauvin replying that he was going to keep on his stomach where he put him? I acknowledged Floyd was on drugs and that it contributed to his death. All the more reason not to have him on his stomach, and not to kneel on his neck for four minutes after he was completely unresponsive.

You do realize he was hospitalized the previous April for exactly that, right? He was caught dealing drugs, and swallowed the evidence. The cops brought him to HCMC for? An OD on Fentanyl. But you're real smart so I bet you knew that.

So by your own admission the cops saved him when he had OD'd before, but here you're making the case he was going to die no matter what. Are you really that stupid to undermine your own argument? Nevermind, we know you're a clown.

"on his side", "rescue position", "responsive"

[antiliberalsociety]

Your jewtube and JewMedia approved* version of the truth.

Uh huh. So you're gonna claim that the 30 minute body cam footage was a Hollywood production?

You mean the video that wouldn't play?

Even when it's corroborated by other independent videos taken at the scene? And the photo that I posted, you made a pathetic excuse that it didn't show his whole body, but it did show both his shoulders on the ground, is he still "on his side" in that photo, or is that now part of the "JewMedia approved version of the truth"?

Your claim that his knee in his neck caused his death the JewMedia approved version of the truth. You're stuck on angles when it was clearly an overdose. And you're butthurt about it. I'm actually kind of shocked, I didn't know you were one of them.

Funny how you're willing to take the testimony of the ME and Chauvin's attorney at face value, but deny video evidence of what actually happened. Clown.

Because the Medical Examiner's findings and his being within policy at the time was *in* the video?

Kind of like how you ignored the fact his partner called it specifically excited delirium?

The very same officer that asked to put him on his side, and Chauvin replying that he was going to keep on his stomach where he put him? I acknowledged Floyd was on drugs and that it contributed to his death. All the more reason not to have him on his stomach, and not to kneel on his neck for four minutes after he was completely unresponsive.

Yet you stop shy of acknowledging his 4x the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, his history of drug offenses and ODs with the cops, and I didn't even get into the meth he also had in his system. But video doesn't lie, right? That's all in there...

You do realize he was hospitalized the previous April for exactly that, right? He was caught dealing drugs, and swallowed the evidence. The cops brought him to HCMC for? An OD on Fentanyl. But you're real smart so I bet you knew that.

So by your own admission the cops saved him when he had OD'd before, but here you're making the case he was going to die no matter what. Are you really that stupid to undermine your own argument? Nevermind, we know you're a clown.

"on his side", "rescue position", "responsive"

"Unresponsive" "Having to restrain him"

"knee blocking airway" "able to say he can't breave"

Did you just legit blame the cops for not saving a nigger from his own overdose??

Edit: Now that I'm no longer phone fagging, I'm at home and can access my documents. This here is why you're a dumbass.



This shows he was actually at over 4 times the lethal dose for Fentanyl, and his meth content was even higher.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker- ... t-tell-you

FLASHBACK: MEDICAL EXAMINER MEMO SAYS FLOYD HAD 'FATAL LEVEL OF FENTANYL' IN HIS SYSTEM, IS 'NOT SAYING THIS KILLED HIM'

But that wasn’t close to true. According to the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office, George Floyd wasn't just high. He had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, in addition to methamphetamine. The autopsy report showed that Floyd had 11 nanograms of fentanyl per milliliter of blood in his system when he was tested at a hospital. That's more than three times the amount of fentanyl that can kill a healthy person.

Again, that’s not our judgment. That’s directly from the autopsy report, the one people didn’t see until after the riots.

Now, was this in your stupid age restricted video? I can't believe you were crying about the cops for a stupid knee in the SIDE of the neck, NOT closing the airway, claiming THAT is what killed him and not the myriad of drugs in his system that he voluntarily ingested. A well known felon and pornographer from-
Texas, THIS is the guy you're using as a crutch to whine about the police? Over taking a fucking knee? lol. He robbed a pregnant woman, pointed a gun at her belly, but yes - it's muh evuhl poolees!

You're going to take the word of his attorney???!?1?

Umm, yes he kind of pointed out you can FUCKING SEE THE FENTANYL IN HIS MOUTH

https://streamable.com/1kzc59

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And the only one saying it was asphyxia was a JEWISH DOCTOR parroted by JewMedia, and NPCs everywhere!

https://abcnews.go.com/US/independent-a ... d=70994827

Here, go argue your points here: https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=61 ... b92a37e86d

I wanna see this shit

[chrimony]

You mean the video that wouldn't play?

Played fine for me, but I'm not a clown like you that makes excuses. You've already determined that you won't accept any evidence that refutes your bullshit.

Your claim that his knee in his neck caused his death the JewMedia approved version of the truth.

Along with being on his stomach. You're acting like a clown, pretending that he's on his side when he's clearly on his stomach, and pretending that having a knee on your neck wouldn't make it harder to breathe when you're already having trouble breathing. It has nothing to do with "JewMedia". It's using my eyes and basic common sense, clown.

You're stuck on angles when it was clearly an overdose. And you're butthurt about it. I'm actually kind of shocked, I didn't know you were one of them.

Tony Timpa also died from overdose and police restraining him on his stomach. It's in the medical report. And he was also speaking when he was having trouble breathing. But because Timpa is white, you're willing to blame the police, but because Floyd is black, you're not. My position is the truth, clown.

Because the Medical Examiner's findings and his being within policy at the time was *in* the video?

Where's the policy that he should keep a person on his stomach for over 8 minutes, with his knee on his neck, 4 of them with the individual completely unresponsive? You never showed that. Instead, you denied video evidence taken from multiple angles, clown.

"Unresponsive" "Having to restrain him"

I've already told you that Concerned Officer spoke about him passing out. Before that he was responsive. That's why I said he was unresponsive for the last 4 minutes Officer DIckhead had a knee on his neck, not the full 8+.

Did you just legit blame the cops for not saving a nigger from his own overdose??

YOU said he would have died anyways to get around Chauvin keeping him on his stomach with a knee on his neck for over 8 minutes. But YOU made the case that they saved him before from overdose. Hence YOU undermined your own argument, clown. At the minimum, Officer Dickhead's actions that day were reckless endangerment. I did say he was overcharged in my very first post on the matter.

The autopsy report showed that Floyd had 11 nanograms of fentanyl per milliliter of blood in his system when he was tested at a hospital. That's more than three times the amount of fentanyl that can kill a healthy person.

"can kill". You stated he was saved before from overdose. It's possible if he gets medical help on time, and if he wasn't restrained the way he was, that he would have lived long enough to get help and survive.

A well known felon and pornographer from-
Texas, THIS is the guy you're using as a crutch to whine about the police?

I'm not "whining" about the police. The Floyd case was raised to doubt the chances of Kyle getting off. It's the truth to compare the actions of the Officer Chauvin versus the actions of Kyle. Kyle was a hero defending himself, showing supreme restraint and trigger discipline. Officer Dickhead callously sat there with his hand in his pocket while he kept a suspect who said he couldn't breathe restrained on his stomach for over 8 minutes with a knee on his neck, 4 of those minutes with the suspect totally unresponsive, and refused to turn him over on his side as requested by a fellow officer.

He robbed a pregnant woman, pointed a gun at her belly, but yes - it's muh evuhl poolees!

Floyd was a piece of shit, no doubt. My position is that virtually all BLM cases wouldn't happen if the dindus involved didn't commit crimes and didn't resist arrest. The narrative that police are indiscriminately killing blacks is bullshit. But just because Floyd was a piece of shit, that doesn't mean I just excuse what Officer Dickhead did that day. And neither would the jury, thus making it easy to overcharge him in the face of political pressure. Kyle is not Officer Dickhead. Saint Kyle did nothing wrong.

You're going to take the word of his attorney???!?1?

Umm, yes he kind of pointed out you can FUCKING SEE THE FENTANYL IN HIS MOUTH

You raised his attorney by saying Officer Dickhead was following police policies, clown. I never disputed Floyd swallowed drugs.

And the only one saying it was asphyxia was a JEWISH DOCTOR parroted by JewMedia, and NPCs everywhere!

I didn't say he was asphyxiated, clown. I said he had trouble breathing, and being on his stomach with a knee on his neck would make it harder to breathe. Just like Tony Timpa being restrained on his stomach with a knee on his back would also make it harder for him to breathe. Both of them overdosing on drugs made it harder for them to breathe. Tony Timpa died of cardiac arrest, and was not asphyxiated. But you don't make any of these points in Timpa's case, and instead just blame the police.

Here, go argue your points here: https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=61 ... b92a37e86d

I'm not your puppet. The argument was raised here, I saw it here, and I responded here. I'm not going to repeat myself for your jollies.

How about YOU go there and invite this guy here? Oh, right. You could just create another alt, though. The_Venerable made it really easy now to get 10 free points on new accounts so you can vote game, too.

[antiliberalsociety]

You mean the video that wouldn't play?

Played fine for me, but I'm not a clown like you that makes excuses. You've already determined that you won't accept any evidence that refutes your bullshit.

As you just ignored mine

Your claim that his knee in his neck caused his death the JewMedia approved version of the truth.

Along with being on his stomach. You're acting like a clown, pretending that he's on his side when he's clearly on his stomach, and pretending that having a knee on your neck wouldn't make it harder to breathe when you're already having trouble breathing. It has nothing to do with "JewMedia". It's using my eyes and basic common sense, clown.

Oh, yes, because propping him up would TOTALLY have prevented the 4 TIMES the lethal dose of Fentanyl from killing him, right? His airway and lungs were not impeded.

You're stuck on angles when it was clearly an overdose. And you're butthurt about it. I'm actually kind of shocked, I didn't know you were one of them.

Tony Timpa also died from overdose and police restraining him on his stomach. It's in the medical report. And he was also speaking when he was having trouble breathing. But because Timpa is white, you're willing to blame the police, but because Floyd is black, you're not. My position is the truth, clown.

Well gee whiz, I still can't seem to find that part

https://www.cato.org/blog/cops-who-kill ... their-jobs

Tony Timpa dialed 911, scared for his life. He was having a psychotic episode, he said, and was off his medications. The Dallas Police Department dispatched their “Crisis Intervention Training” Team: five officers ostensibly equipped to help those with mental disabilities. Tony had already been restrained by a local security guard when the officers arrived. All was in hand—or it should have been.

But the combination of incompetence and emotional indifference displayed by the Dallas officers that night is horrifying to watch. Restraining Tony’s legs and putting him in police cuffs, the officers laid him prone and kneeled on his body. They ignored his cries that they were killing him. They brushed off his agonal respiration as “snoring.” They cracked juvenile jokes to one another as Tony slid into unconsciousness: “It’s time for school! Wake up!” remarks one officer when Tony stops responding. After 14 minutes of compacting Tony’s lungs as he begged for his life until he could no longer speak, officers finally turned Tony over to a trained paramedic. “He’s dead,” the paramedic declares almost immediately after Tony is lifted into the ambulance.

This here is interesting, they completely broke medical caregiver law by compressing his lungs, and ignored his flat out statements that they were going to kill him. Then when he lost consciousness, they didn't check vitals which would have triggered CPR until the paramedics arrived. Remember what I said about once it's a medical, they're a patient first before a prisoner? The origin of the call was medical, not criminal. That's what makes this especially bad. We just had paramedics sued for abandonment because they didn't attempt to revive a freeze patient. These cops not only didn't attempt revival, but caused the suffocation in the first place by compressing his lungs. Anyone in the medical field knows this is a screaming violation of medical caregiver protocol.

Even from a use of force angle they breached protocol, you're supposed to squat beside them with your knee into the shoulder, the other into the back, unless they're struggling to escape. Similar to this.

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At no time is the body weight supposed to be ON the suspect/patient. The only time that is ever acceptable is pre-cuffed in an attempt to get them cuffed. Once they are cuffed, they are your responsibility as their life literally is dependent on your actions. This dude was already cuffed when they got there.

Had that been done by medical staff it would have been malpractice.

Floyd didn't stop breathing until he was in the ambulance. His lungs were never compressed, his airway was clear. You could see Chauvin's knee rising with his neck movements. Moving on...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/us/dalla ... index.html

The body camera footage tells the story: Tony Timpa was struggling, begging Dallas police officers who were holding him in a controversial position to let him go.

Within minutes he had stopped breathing, while officers joked that he had fallen asleep, according to the footage first obtained from the police department by The Dallas Morning News after a nearly three-year battle for its release – part of the newspaper’s investigation into the August 2016 death of the 32-year-old man.

The City of Dallas and its police department fought the release of the footage, first citing an ongoing investigation that saw three officers indicted, then the case’s dismissal.

’The public has a compelling interest’
But a federal judge ruled this week in favor of the Timpa family, The Dallas Morning News and NBC5, saying “the public has a compelling interest in understanding what truly took place during a fatal exchange between a citizen and law enforcement.”

“…The Court holds that there is no longer good cause to shield the documents from public scrutiny,” US District Court Judge David C. Godbey wrote in his order.

The Dallas Police Department’s media relations office declined CNN’s request for comment.

“Because there is pending litigation surrounding this incident, we are unable to comment on the actions of the officers. You may request the investigation and any other material through our open records process,” Carlos Almeida, a public information officer for the Dallas Police Department, said.

CNN filed an open records request and was notified by email the request could take up to 20 days to process. The attorney for the Timpa family provided CNN with the footage from two police body cameras - one was 27 minutes, and the other, 18 minutes.

Timpa’s family has filed a federal lawsuit against the city and the officers, alleging the officers used excessive and deadly force that “no reasonable officer could believe that use of force was justified.”

The wrongful death lawsuit, which was first filed in December 2016, accuses the officers of false imprisonment, assault and battery and negligence. The family is seeking “actual and consequential damages,” according to the lawsuit filed by the family’s attorney, Geoff J. Henley.

Timpa’s family alleges in the lawsuit that the city and the police have withheld the details about what happened the night Timpa died. The police department and city have declined to comment on the civil lawsuit, citing ongoing litigation.

Hmm, kind of the mirror opposite of Floyd don't ya think? The knee was the focal point. Yet in Timpa's case, there were THREE OFFICERS INDICTED initially and they fought the release of the video before tossing the case out. There was no resistance from Timpa because he was already cuffed. The second handcuffs are on, you aren't allowed to use force. I knew one that got in big trouble because she maced a cuffed prisoner. Putting your body weight directly on the back is like, "WTF who hired this guy?" level of stupidity.

https://archive.md/dawSG

You're gonna kill me!': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life

Still no mention of overdose...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tony_Timpa

It's a sad day when even Wikikepedia defends a white guy killed by police.

The responders began to panic only as they loaded Timpa's body onto a gurney, one exclaiming, "He didn’t just die down there, did he?" Timpa died within 20 minutes of police officers' arrival, of "cocaine and the stress associated with physical restraint", according to his autopsy.[2]

They mentioned cocaine, but nothing about overdosing. Yet the initial findings stated it was due to being restrained.

So, where's this medical report? I can't find it. Every source I find leans towards compression being the main cause of death.

The Dallas County Medical Examiner’s Office determined that Timpa’s death was a “HOMICIDE” resulting from the physiological stress of restraint and the toxic effects of cocaine. An independent medical examiner concluded that compression from the restraint killed Tony.

https://henleylawpc.com/timpa-autopsy-p ... yds-death/

Because the Medical Examiner's findings and his being within policy at the time was *in* the video?

Where's the policy that he should keep a person on his stomach for over 8 minutes, with his knee on his neck, 4 of them with the individual completely unresponsive? You never showed that. Instead, you denied video evidence taken from multiple angles, clown.

Police policy isn't public record as far as their training and tactics, so it's not something that can be linked to. They were waiting for the ambulance that took a while to get there. The knee, AGAIN was being used to brace him, not restrain him. If it WAS being used for restraint, there goes your unresponsive claims.

"Unresponsive" "Having to restrain him"

I've already told you that Concerned Officer spoke about him passing out. Before that he was responsive. That's why I said he was unresponsive for the last 4 minutes Officer DIckhead had a knee on his neck, not the full 8+.

You're only just now saying that trying to backpedal.

Did you just legit blame the cops for not saving a nigger from his own overdose??

YOU said he would have died anyways to get around Chauvin keeping him on his stomach with a knee on his neck for over 8 minutes.

Only libcucks cry about the 8 minutes. Blame the response time of the ambulance. His knee wasn't doing shit besides stopping him from injuring his head.

But YOU made the case that they saved him before from overdose.

I never claimed the cops saved anything. I said they had to hospitalize him for overdose just prior to that incident. That gets recorded onto a history for when future cops have to deal with him, so Chauvin knew going into that call what his history is.

Hence YOU undermined your own argument, clown. At the minimum, Officer Dickhead's actions that day were reckless endangerment. I did say he was overcharged in my very first post on the matter.

Save me your emotional butthurt, faggot. You just got rekt by your own argument and are trying to project.

The autopsy report showed that Floyd had 11 nanograms of fentanyl per milliliter of blood in his system when he was tested at a hospital. That's more than three times the amount of fentanyl that can kill a healthy person.

"can kill". You stated he was saved before from overdose. It's possible if he gets medical help on time, and if he wasn't restrained the way he was, that he would have lived long enough to get help and survive.

Link to where I ever used the word "saved". Can cops control response time of the ambulance?

A well known felon and pornographer from-
Texas, THIS is the guy you're using as a crutch to whine about the police?

I'm not "whining" about the police.

Then what do you call addressing Chauvin as "officer Dickhead"? Fucking crybaby.

The Floyd case was raised to doubt the chances of Kyle getting off. It's the truth to compare the actions of the Officer Chauvin versus the actions of Kyle.

Now who's moving the goalposts? I brought up Kyle's trial as he'll get Chauvin'd, in which they'll corrupt the legal due process to uphold a political agenda. Trying to compare actions leading up to is completely off topic and a false equivalency.

Kyle was a hero defending himself, showing supreme restraint and trigger discipline. Officer Dickhead callously sat there with his hand in his pocket while he kept a suspect who said he couldn't breathe restrained on his stomach for over 8 minutes with a knee on his neck, 4 of those minutes with the suspect totally unresponsive, and refused to turn him over on his side as requested by a fellow officer.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know Rittenhaus was a cop responding to calls. I guess I was unaware that a juvenile from out of state can be employed as a licensed peace officer prior to a two year Law Enforcement degree. Will wonders never cease...

He robbed a pregnant woman, pointed a gun at her belly, but yes - it's muh evuhl poolees!

Floyd was a piece of shit, no doubt. My position is that virtually all BLM cases wouldn't happen if the dindus involved didn't commit crimes and didn't resist arrest. The narrative that police are indiscriminately killing blacks is bullshit. But just because Floyd was a piece of shit, that doesn't mean I just excuse what Officer Dickhead did that day. And neither would the jury, thus making it easy to overcharge him in the face of political pressure. Kyle is not Officer Dickhead. Saint Kyle did nothing wrong.

Emotional outburst combined with comparing apples to oranges.

You're going to take the word of his attorney???!?1?

Umm, yes he kind of pointed out you can FUCKING SEE THE FENTANYL IN HIS MOUTH

You raised his attorney by saying Officer Dickhead was following police policies, clown. I never disputed Floyd swallowed drugs.

But you refused to acknowledge the fact it was the CAUSE OF DEATH though, didn't ya...

And the only one saying it was asphyxia was a JEWISH DOCTOR parroted by JewMedia, and NPCs everywhere!

I didn't say he was asphyxiated, clown. I said he had trouble breathing, and being on his stomach with a knee on his neck would make it harder to breathe.

Then why cry about the knee? How would that have anything to do with his death unless insinuating asphyxiation?

Just like Tony Timpa being restrained on his stomach with a knee on his back would also make it harder for him to breathe.

Body weight on back =/= knee on the side of the neck

Both of them overdosing on drugs made it harder for them to breathe. Tony Timpa died of cardiac arrest, and was not asphyxiated.

As Ive indicated. Except one had the sole cause being HOMICIDE due to RESTRAINT and the other didn't.

But you don't make any of these points in Timpa's case, and instead just blame the police.

Because they completely breached use of force AND medical caregiver protocol. Timpa's cops broke the law. Chauvin didn't.

Here, go argue your points here: https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=61 ... b92a37e86d

I'm not your puppet. The argument was raised here, I saw it here, and I responded here. I'm not going to repeat myself for your jollies.

I thought you didn't give a fuck what people thought about you Says a lot that you don't want to go out on that limb again.

How about YOU go there and invite this guy here? Oh, right. You could just create another alt, though. The_Venerable made it really easy now to get 10 free points on new accounts so you can vote game, too.

Or, you with the already active account could just argue the same points there... Or do you fear being made an example of with a bigger audience?

I knew you wouldn't. I was just illustrating a point.

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As you just ignored mine

That's a lie. I addressed what you said about Floyd swallowing fentanyl. Also, the video of Floyd in the car being arrested by officers is at the very beginning of the 30 minute bodycam footage I linked to.

Oh, yes, because propping him up would TOTALLY have prevented the 4 TIMES the lethal dose of Fentanyl from killing him, right?

Might have. You already admitted the police saved him from an overdose before. But I do know kneeling on his neck and keeping him on his stomach for over 8 minutes was callously reckless and greatly increased his chances of dying. You don't make any excuses for the officers in the Tony Timpa case.

Well gee whiz, I still can't seem to find that part

https://www.sott.net/article/417883-Dal ... re-he-died

"A Dallas County medical examiner ruled the death a homicide, saying Timpa died of sudden cardiac arrest, secondarily caused by the effects of cocaine and stress from being restrained."

"But the death was not criminal. Earlier this year Dallas County District Attorney John Creuzot dismissed pending misdemeanor charges against three officers.

His office said he met with all three medical examiners who testified before the grand jury about their findings. Creuzot's office said the coroners did not believe the officers acted recklessly and that they cannot, and will not, testify to the elements of the indictment beyond a reasonable doubt."

This here is interesting, they completely broke medical caregiver law by compressing his lungs, and ignored his flat out statements that they were going to kill him. Then when he lost consciousness, they didn't check vitals which would have triggered CPR until the paramedics arrived.

You could be describing George Floyd. But you're describing Tony Timpa. Clown.

Remember what I said about once it's a medical, they're a patient first before a prisoner? The origin of the call was medical, not criminal.

It makes the Timpa case worse morally, but in neither case are the actions of the officers involved justified. Being a suspected criminal doesn't mean you can be treated with reckless disregard for your life.

The second handcuffs are on, you aren't allowed to use force.

This is just bullshit. First of all, Floyd already had handcuffs on. Yet he was still struggling and kicking against the officers in the car, which is why he ended up on the ground, with the use of force. So either you admit the officers were wrong in continuing to use force against Floyd once he was cuffed, or you admit you're an "expert" with "training", yet you still make bullshit and ridiculous statements that anybody with an ounce of common sense can see through. Either way, you're a clown.

Police policy isn't public record as far as their training and tactics, so it's not something that can be linked to.

So you instead relied on statements from the defense lawyer. Clown.

I've already told you that Concerned Officer spoke about him passing out. Before that he was responsive. That's why I said he was unresponsive for the last 4 minutes Officer DIckhead had a knee on his neck, not the full 8+.

You're only just now saying that trying to backpedal.

You're a liar. I first mentioned that several posts ago, in my 3rd reply to you, and several times since: "At 16:22, Concerned Officer says, "I think he's passing out." FOUR MINUTES LATER, Chauvin finally removes his knee from his neck."

Link to where I ever used the word "saved". Can cops control response time of the ambulance?

This is you: "You do realize he was hospitalized the previous April for exactly that, right? He was caught dealing drugs, and swallowed the evidence. The cops brought him to HCMC for? An OD on Fentanyl. But you're real smart so I bet you knew that."

You didn't use the word "saved", but you stated it was the cops that brought him to the hospital after swallowing drugs and overdosing on fentanyl. Sound familiar? Now imagine the cops instead had put him on his stomach and kneeled on his neck for 8+ minutes. Would he have lived?

Then what do you call addressing Chauvin as "officer Dickhead"?

I call it describing Officer Chauvin in the manner he deserved, clown.

I brought up Kyle's trial as he'll get Chauvin'd, in which they'll corrupt the legal due process to uphold a political agenda. Trying to compare actions leading up to is completely off topic and a false equivalency.

Completely on topic. YOU brought up Chauvin. You can't pretend what led to his conviction had nothing to do with the outcome. You didn't stipulate that your comments didn't include the conviction, and if you're trying to do so this late in the game you are full of shit. The entirety of your comment was, "He'll still get Chauvin'd", but the fact that he's on trial at all is due to a corrupt legal system. The topic of the original post is the trial collapsing, so the only reasonable interpretation of your post is to say he'll still be found guilty.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know Rittenhaus was a cop responding to calls.

What's your point, clown? That makes his actions and trigger discipline that night even more impressive.

Body weight on back =/= knee on the side of the neck

You don't know how much force was being applied on his back. I can't even find the full video of Tony Timpa. Just clips. In one portion I see the officer with one knee on the ground, and the other on his back. So he's 100% not putting his full body weight on him.

I thought you didn't give a fuck what people thought about you

I don't. That's why I defended you on principle, twice, on fauxVoat after you got banned. The truth is you are a spaz, and by your second ban you turned away practically everybody that had defended you the first time, even fightknightHERO:

"I used to respect ALS, but then i realized how petty & hypocritical he was
his obsession with pedophilia/respecting whaman is very, very retarded"

Says a lot that you don't want to go out on that limb again.

All it says is that I'm not your puppet, clown.

Or, you with the already active account could just argue the same points there... Or do you fear being made an example of with a bigger audience?

I don't give a fuck. You've shown you have no restraint about creating alts or talking about yourself in the 3rd person with a sockpuppet account. If you care so much, give it more attention. But I'm not a spaz like you.

[antiliberalsociety]

As you just ignored mine

That's a lie. I addressed what you said about Floyd swallowing fentanyl. Also, the video of Floyd in the car being arrested by officers is at the very beginning of the 30 minute bodycam footage I linked to.

Oh, yes, because propping him up would TOTALLY have prevented the 4 TIMES the lethal dose of Fentanyl from killing him, right?

Might have. You already admitted the police saved him from an overdose before. But I do know kneeling on his neck and keeping him on his stomach for over 8 minutes was callously reckless and greatly increased his chances of dying. You don't make any excuses for the officers in the Tony Timpa case.

Well gee whiz, I still can't seem to find that part

https://www.sott.net/article/417883-Dal ... re-he-died

"A Dallas County medical examiner ruled the death a homicide, saying Timpa died of sudden cardiac arrest, secondarily caused by the effects of cocaine and stress from being restrained."

"But the death was not criminal. Earlier this year Dallas County District Attorney John Creuzot dismissed pending misdemeanor charges against three officers.

His office said he met with all three medical examiners who testified before the grand jury about their findings. Creuzot's office said the coroners did not believe the officers acted recklessly and that they cannot, and will not, testify to the elements of the indictment beyond a reasonable doubt."

This here is interesting, they completely broke medical caregiver law by compressing his lungs, and ignored his flat out statements that they were going to kill him. Then when he lost consciousness, they didn't check vitals which would have triggered CPR until the paramedics arrived.

You could be describing George Floyd. But you're describing Tony Timpa. Clown.

Remember what I said about once it's a medical, they're a patient first before a prisoner? The origin of the call was medical, not criminal.

It makes the Timpa case worse morally, but in neither case are the actions of the officers involved justified. Being a suspected criminal doesn't mean you can be treated with reckless disregard for your life.

The second handcuffs are on, you aren't allowed to use force.

This is just bullshit. First of all, Floyd already had handcuffs on. Yet he was still struggling and kicking against the officers in the car, which is why he ended up on the ground, with the use of force. So either you admit the officers were wrong in continuing to use force against Floyd once he was cuffed, or you admit you're an "expert" with "training", yet you still make bullshit and ridiculous statements that anybody with an ounce of common sense can see through. Either way, you're a clown.

Police policy isn't public record as far as their training and tactics, so it's not something that can be linked to.

So you instead relied on statements from the defense lawyer. Clown.

I've already told you that Concerned Officer spoke about him passing out. Before that he was responsive. That's why I said he was unresponsive for the last 4 minutes Officer DIckhead had a knee on his neck, not the full 8+.

You're only just now saying that trying to backpedal.

You're a liar. I first mentioned that several posts ago, in my 3rd reply to you, and several times since: "At 16:22, Concerned Officer says, "I think he's passing out." FOUR MINUTES LATER, Chauvin finally removes his knee from his neck."

Link to where I ever used the word "saved". Can cops control response time of the ambulance?

This is you: "You do realize he was hospitalized the previous April for exactly that, right? He was caught dealing drugs, and swallowed the evidence. The cops brought him to HCMC for? An OD on Fentanyl. But you're real smart so I bet you knew that."

You didn't use the word "saved", but you stated it was the cops that brought him to the hospital after swallowing drugs and overdosing on fentanyl. Sound familiar? Now imagine the cops instead had put him on his stomach and kneeled on his neck for 8+ minutes. Would he have lived?

Then what do you call addressing Chauvin as "officer Dickhead"?

I call it describing Officer Chauvin in the manner he deserved, clown.

I brought up Kyle's trial as he'll get Chauvin'd, in which they'll corrupt the legal due process to uphold a political agenda. Trying to compare actions leading up to is completely off topic and a false equivalency.

Completely on topic. YOU brought up Chauvin. You can't pretend what led to his conviction had nothing to do with the outcome. You didn't stipulate that your comments didn't include the conviction, and if you're trying to do so this late in the game you are full of shit. The entirety of your comment was, "He'll still get Chauvin'd", but the fact that he's on trial at all is due to a corrupt legal system. The topic of the original post is the trial collapsing, so the only reasonable interpretation of your post is to say he'll still be found guilty.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know Rittenhaus was a cop responding to calls.

What's your point, clown? That makes his actions and trigger discipline that night even more impressive.

Body weight on back =/= knee on the side of the neck

You don't know how much force was being applied on his back. I can't even find the full video of Tony Timpa. Just clips. In one portion I see the officer with one knee on the ground, and the other on his back. So he's 100% not putting his full body weight on him.

I thought you didn't give a fuck what people thought about you

I don't. That's why I defended you on principle, twice, on fauxVoat after you got banned. The truth is you are a spaz, and by your second ban you turned away practically everybody that had defended you the first time, even fightknightHERO:

"I used to respect ALS, but then i realized how petty & hypocritical he was
his obsession with pedophilia/respecting whaman is very, very retarded"

Says a lot that you don't want to go out on that limb again.

All it says is that I'm not your puppet, clown.

Or, you with the already active account could just argue the same points there... Or do you fear being made an example of with a bigger audience?

I don't give a fuck. You've shown you have no restraint about creating alts or talking about yourself in the 3rd person with a sockpuppet account. If you care so much, give it more attention. But I'm not a spaz like you.

Your argument is emotional, nothing more. Now sulk in it, crybaby.