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The Didache
The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations.

Chapters 1-6
Chapter 1. The Two Ways and the First Commandment. There are two ways, one of life and one of death, but a great difference between the two ways. The way of life, then, is this: First, you shall love God who made you; second, love your neighbor as yourself, and do not do to another what you would not want done to you. And of these sayings the teaching is this: Bless those who curse you, and pray for your enemies, and fast for those who persecute you. For what reward is there for loving those who love you? Do not the Gentiles do the same? But love those who hate you, and you shall not have an enemy. Abstain from fleshly and worldly lusts. If someone strikes your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and you shall be perfect. If someone impresses you for one mile, go with him two. If someone takes your cloak, give him also your coat. If someone takes from you what is yours, ask it not back, for indeed you are not able. Give to every one who asks you, and ask it not back; for the Father wills that to all should be given of our own blessings (free gifts). Happy is he who gives according to the commandment, for he is guiltless. Woe to him who receives; for if one receives who has need, he is guiltless; but he who receives not having need shall pay the penalty, why he received and for what. And coming into confinement, he shall be examined concerning the things which he has done, and he shall not escape from there until he pays back the last penny. And also concerning this, it has been said, Let your alms sweat in your hands, until you know to whom you should give.
Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.
Chapter 3. Other Sins Forbidden. My child, flee from every evil thing, and from every likeness of it. Be not prone to anger, for anger leads to murder. Be neither jealous, nor quarrelsome, nor of hot temper, for out of all these murders are engendered. My child, be not a lustful one. for lust leads to fornication. Be neither a filthy talker, nor of lofty eye, for out of all these adulteries are engendered. My child, be not an observer of omens, since it leads to idolatry. Be neither an enchanter, nor an astrologer, nor a purifier, nor be willing to took at these things, for out of all these idolatry is engendered. My child, be not a liar, since a lie leads to theft. Be neither money-loving, nor vainglorious, for out of all these thefts are engendered. My child, be not a murmurer, since it leads the way to blasphemy. Be neither self-willed nor evil-minded, for out of all these blasphemies are engendered.
Rather, be meek, since the meek shall inherit the earth. Be long-suffering and pitiful and guileless and gentle and good and always trembling at the words which you have heard. You shall not exalt yourself, nor give over-confidence to your soul. Your soul shall not be joined with lofty ones, but with just and lowly ones shall it have its intercourse. Accept whatever happens to you as good, knowing that apart from God nothing comes to pass.
Chapter 4. Various Precepts. My child, remember night and day him who speaks the word of God to you, and honor him as you do the Lord. For wherever the lordly rule is uttered, there is the Lord. And seek out day by day the faces of the saints, in order that you may rest upon their words. Do not long for division, but rather bring those who contend to peace. Judge righteously, and do not respect persons in reproving for transgressions. You shall not be undecided whether or not it shall be. Be not a stretcher forth of the hands to receive and a drawer of them back to give. If you have anything, through your hands you shall give ransom for your sins. Do not hesitate to give, nor complain when you give; for you shall know who is the good repayer of the hire. Do not turn away from him who is in want; rather, share all things with your brother, and do not say that they are your own. For if you are partakers in that which is immortal, how much more in things which are mortal? Do not remove your hand from your son or daughter; rather, teach them the fear of God from their youth. Do not enjoin anything in your bitterness upon your bondman or maidservant, who hope in the same God, lest ever they shall fear not God who is over both; for he comes not to call according to the outward appearance, but to them whom the Spirit has prepared. And you bondmen shall be subject to your masters as to a type of God, in modesty and fear. You shall hate all hypocrisy and everything which is not pleasing to the Lord. Do not in any way forsake the commandments of the Lord; but keep what you have received, neither adding thereto nor taking away therefrom. In the church you shall acknowledge your transgressions, and you shall not come near for your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life.
Chapter 5. The Way of Death. And the way of death is this: First of all it is evil and accursed: murders, adultery, lust, fornication, thefts, idolatries, magic arts, witchcrafts, rape, false witness, hypocrisy, double-heartedness, deceit, haughtiness, depravity, self-will, greediness, filthy talking, jealousy, over-confidence, loftiness, boastfulness; persecutors of the good, hating truth, loving a lie, not knowing a reward for righteousness, not cleaving to good nor to righteous judgment, watching not for that which is good, but for that which is evil; from whom meekness and endurance are far, loving vanities, pursuing revenge, not pitying a poor man, not laboring for the afflicted, not knowing Him Who made them, murderers of children, destroyers of the handiwork of God, turning away from him who is in want, afflicting him who is distressed, advocates of the rich, lawless judges of the poor, utter sinners. Be delivered, children, from all these.
Chapter 6. Against False Teachers, and Food Offered to Idols. See that no one causes you to err from this way of the Teaching, since apart from God it teaches you. For if you are able to bear the entire yoke of the Lord, you will be perfect; but if you are not able to do this, do what you are able. And concerning food, bear what you are able; but against that which is sacrificed to idols be exceedingly careful; for it is the service of dead gods.
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Didache

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The Didache
The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations.

Chapters 1-6
Chapter 1. The Two Ways and the First Commandment. There are two ways, one of life and one of death, but a great difference between the two ways. The way of life, then, is this: First, you shall love God who made you; second, love your neighbor as yourself, and do not do to another what you would not want done to you. And of these sayings the teaching is this: Bless those who curse you, and pray for your enemies, and fast for those who persecute you. For what reward is there for loving those who love you? Do not the Gentiles do the same? But love those who hate you, and you shall not have an enemy. Abstain from fleshly and worldly lusts. If someone strikes your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and you shall be perfect. If someone impresses you for one mile, go with him two. If someone takes your cloak, give him also your coat. If someone takes from you what is yours, ask it not back, for indeed you are not able. Give to every one who asks you, and ask it not back; for the Father wills that to all should be given of our own blessings (free gifts). Happy is he who gives according to the commandment, for he is guiltless. Woe to him who receives; for if one receives who has need, he is guiltless; but he who receives not having need shall pay the penalty, why he received and for what. And coming into confinement, he shall be examined concerning the things which he has done, and he shall not escape from there until he pays back the last penny. And also concerning this, it has been said, Let your alms sweat in your hands, until you know to whom you should give.
Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.
Chapter 3. Other Sins Forbidden. My child, flee from every evil thing, and from every likeness of it. Be not prone to anger, for anger leads to murder. Be neither jealous, nor quarrelsome, nor of hot temper, for out of all these murders are engendered. My child, be not a lustful one. for lust leads to fornication. Be neither a filthy talker, nor of lofty eye, for out of all these adulteries are engendered. My child, be not an observer of omens, since it leads to idolatry. Be neither an enchanter, nor an astrologer, nor a purifier, nor be willing to took at these things, for out of all these idolatry is engendered. My child, be not a liar, since a lie leads to theft. Be neither money-loving, nor vainglorious, for out of all these thefts are engendered. My child, be not a murmurer, since it leads the way to blasphemy. Be neither self-willed nor evil-minded, for out of all these blasphemies are engendered.
Rather, be meek, since the meek shall inherit the earth. Be long-suffering and pitiful and guileless and gentle and good and always trembling at the words which you have heard. You shall not exalt yourself, nor give over-confidence to your soul. Your soul shall not be joined with lofty ones, but with just and lowly ones shall it have its intercourse. Accept whatever happens to you as good, knowing that apart from God nothing comes to pass.
Chapter 4. Various Precepts. My child, remember night and day him who speaks the word of God to you, and honor him as you do the Lord. For wherever the lordly rule is uttered, there is the Lord. And seek out day by day the faces of the saints, in order that you may rest upon their words. Do not long for division, but rather bring those who contend to peace. Judge righteously, and do not respect persons in reproving for transgressions. You shall not be undecided whether or not it shall be. Be not a stretcher forth of the hands to receive and a drawer of them back to give. If you have anything, through your hands you shall give ransom for your sins. Do not hesitate to give, nor complain when you give; for you shall know who is the good repayer of the hire. Do not turn away from him who is in want; rather, share all things with your brother, and do not say that they are your own. For if you are partakers in that which is immortal, how much more in things which are mortal? Do not remove your hand from your son or daughter; rather, teach them the fear of God from their youth. Do not enjoin anything in your bitterness upon your bondman or maidservant, who hope in the same God, lest ever they shall fear not God who is over both; for he comes not to call according to the outward appearance, but to them whom the Spirit has prepared. And you bondmen shall be subject to your masters as to a type of God, in modesty and fear. You shall hate all hypocrisy and everything which is not pleasing to the Lord. Do not in any way forsake the commandments of the Lord; but keep what you have received, neither adding thereto nor taking away therefrom. In the church you shall acknowledge your transgressions, and you shall not come near for your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life.
Chapter 5. The Way of Death. And the way of death is this: First of all it is evil and accursed: murders, adultery, lust, fornication, thefts, idolatries, magic arts, witchcrafts, rape, false witness, hypocrisy, double-heartedness, deceit, haughtiness, depravity, self-will, greediness, filthy talking, jealousy, over-confidence, loftiness, boastfulness; persecutors of the good, hating truth, loving a lie, not knowing a reward for righteousness, not cleaving to good nor to righteous judgment, watching not for that which is good, but for that which is evil; from whom meekness and endurance are far, loving vanities, pursuing revenge, not pitying a poor man, not laboring for the afflicted, not knowing Him Who made them, murderers of children, destroyers of the handiwork of God, turning away from him who is in want, afflicting him who is distressed, advocates of the rich, lawless judges of the poor, utter sinners. Be delivered, children, from all these.
Chapter 6. Against False Teachers, and Food Offered to Idols. See that no one causes you to err from this way of the Teaching, since apart from God it teaches you. For if you are able to bear the entire yoke of the Lord, you will be perfect; but if you are not able to do this, do what you are able. And concerning food, bear what you are able; but against that which is sacrificed to idols be exceedingly careful; for it is the service of dead gods.
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<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: Early Christian Writings :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-21T19:45:44+00:00 2025-02-21T19:45:44+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14078&p=35436#p35436 The Gospel of Thomas

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Gospel of Thomas w/Commentary
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The Gospel of Thomas

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Gospel of Thomas w/Commentary
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<![CDATA[Archive :: The narrow path :: Author shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-15T22:51:20+00:00 2025-02-27T14:31:01+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35377#p35377 Some quotes from famous men of the past.
"It is of great importance to straighten out this inverting of the relationship, criticizing Christ by Paul, the Master by the disciple."
Kierkegaard, My Task (1855)
"No sooner had Jesus knocked over the menacing dragons of religious dogma and spiritual superstition than the 'apostle' Paul boldly set them back upright again. In truth, there is not one word of Pauline Christianity to be found in the gospel utterances of Jesus, and there has thus never been a more monstrous imposition perpetrated than the one where the Christian religion imposed Paul's soul upon the soul of Christ - and this, in Jesus' name no less! Almost as egregious, this fresh doctrine of Paul's was one that sought not to topple or even significantly alter the unjust political systems of its day, but was rather designed to coddle them and the corrupt delegates who ran them. As such, it can come as no surprise that The Way of Jesus Christ was suppressed by the time's political world and was adopted as its official faith." - George Bernard Shaw
"Paul avoids quoting the teaching of Jesus, in fact even mentioning the same. In truth, if we had to rely on Paul, we would not know that Jesus taught in parables, we would not know that Jesus had ever delivered the Sermon on the Mount, nor that he had taught his disciples the 'Our Father.' Indeed, even where they are specially relevant, Paul blatantly ignores the words of his Lord... Paul obviously did not desire to truly know Christ. And the fateful thing is that the Greek, the Catholic, and the Protestant theologies all contain the Gospel of Paul in a form which does not continue the Gospel of Jesus, but rather wholly displaces it." - Albert Schweitzer
"Fundamentalism is nothing more than the triumph of Paul over Jesus... Paul created a theology of which none but the vaguest warrants can be found in the words of Christ; a theology about the man instead of his teachings - a man who Paul never even knew and a theology written some 50 or more years after the death of that same man... Paul replaced moral conduct with mere creed as the test of Virtue. It is in no way an understatement to say that this was quite the tragic shift. " - Will Durant
"The name 'disciple of Jesus' has little applicability to Paul, with the obvious contradictions in the three accounts given by him in regard to his Road to Damascus conversion being more than enough to arouse a palpable distrust in the man The moral majesty of Jesus -- his purity and piety, his ministry among the people, his manner as a prophet, the concrete ethical-religious content of his earthly life - signifies very little whatsoever for Paul's Christology. As such we are confronted with Jesus or Paul: the fundamental choice that all are required to make; the choice that embodies the primary spiritual battleground of our present day." - William Wrede
"The conversion of Paul was no conversion at all: instead it was Paul converting a lifestyle that raised one man above sin and death into a religion that has delivered millions of men so completely into their own dominion that their common nature has become a horror to them, and their religious life a denial of life itself." - George Bernard Shaw
"Paul was the very first corrupter of the doctrine of Jesus Christ; a doctrine very different from the one practiced by those who would call me infidel while elevating themselves as preachers of the Gospel Indeed, these "Christian" impostors have compounded from the Halcyon Mysteries a religious system fully beyond the comprehension of humankind, one of which the greatest ethical reformer of the Jews, were he to return to Earth today, would not recognize a single feature." - Thomas Jefferson
John 8:31-32 KJV
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 13:35 KJV
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 14:23 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 15:7 KJV
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John 15:10 KJV
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


What's wrong with God's law? Why didn't Paul want to follow it?
Genesis 9:4 English Standard Version
4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
The Commandments

Exodus 20:3-17 English Standard Version
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”
None of the Levitical temple laws have applied since 70 A.D., when the Jerusalem temple was destroyed. This includes tithing and circumcision, imo.
Leviticus chapters 17 - 26
some of the laws in the "Code of Righteousness". Morality, food and health laws. A lot of common sense is in those chapters.
Acts 15:19-21 English Standard Version
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,
20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.
21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
I don't think Paul ever wanted to learn what Jesus taught.
300+ COMMANDS OF JESUS - https://web.archive.org/web/20120308170 ... jesus.html]]>
Some quotes from famous men of the past.
"It is of great importance to straighten out this inverting of the relationship, criticizing Christ by Paul, the Master by the disciple."
Kierkegaard, My Task (1855)
"No sooner had Jesus knocked over the menacing dragons of religious dogma and spiritual superstition than the 'apostle' Paul boldly set them back upright again. In truth, there is not one word of Pauline Christianity to be found in the gospel utterances of Jesus, and there has thus never been a more monstrous imposition perpetrated than the one where the Christian religion imposed Paul's soul upon the soul of Christ - and this, in Jesus' name no less! Almost as egregious, this fresh doctrine of Paul's was one that sought not to topple or even significantly alter the unjust political systems of its day, but was rather designed to coddle them and the corrupt delegates who ran them. As such, it can come as no surprise that The Way of Jesus Christ was suppressed by the time's political world and was adopted as its official faith." - George Bernard Shaw
"Paul avoids quoting the teaching of Jesus, in fact even mentioning the same. In truth, if we had to rely on Paul, we would not know that Jesus taught in parables, we would not know that Jesus had ever delivered the Sermon on the Mount, nor that he had taught his disciples the 'Our Father.' Indeed, even where they are specially relevant, Paul blatantly ignores the words of his Lord... Paul obviously did not desire to truly know Christ. And the fateful thing is that the Greek, the Catholic, and the Protestant theologies all contain the Gospel of Paul in a form which does not continue the Gospel of Jesus, but rather wholly displaces it." - Albert Schweitzer
"Fundamentalism is nothing more than the triumph of Paul over Jesus... Paul created a theology of which none but the vaguest warrants can be found in the words of Christ; a theology about the man instead of his teachings - a man who Paul never even knew and a theology written some 50 or more years after the death of that same man... Paul replaced moral conduct with mere creed as the test of Virtue. It is in no way an understatement to say that this was quite the tragic shift. " - Will Durant
"The name 'disciple of Jesus' has little applicability to Paul, with the obvious contradictions in the three accounts given by him in regard to his Road to Damascus conversion being more than enough to arouse a palpable distrust in the man The moral majesty of Jesus -- his purity and piety, his ministry among the people, his manner as a prophet, the concrete ethical-religious content of his earthly life - signifies very little whatsoever for Paul's Christology. As such we are confronted with Jesus or Paul: the fundamental choice that all are required to make; the choice that embodies the primary spiritual battleground of our present day." - William Wrede
"The conversion of Paul was no conversion at all: instead it was Paul converting a lifestyle that raised one man above sin and death into a religion that has delivered millions of men so completely into their own dominion that their common nature has become a horror to them, and their religious life a denial of life itself." - George Bernard Shaw
"Paul was the very first corrupter of the doctrine of Jesus Christ; a doctrine very different from the one practiced by those who would call me infidel while elevating themselves as preachers of the Gospel Indeed, these "Christian" impostors have compounded from the Halcyon Mysteries a religious system fully beyond the comprehension of humankind, one of which the greatest ethical reformer of the Jews, were he to return to Earth today, would not recognize a single feature." - Thomas Jefferson
John 8:31-32 KJV
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 13:35 KJV
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 14:23 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 15:7 KJV
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John 15:10 KJV
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


What's wrong with God's law? Why didn't Paul want to follow it?
Genesis 9:4 English Standard Version
4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
The Commandments

Exodus 20:3-17 English Standard Version
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”
None of the Levitical temple laws have applied since 70 A.D., when the Jerusalem temple was destroyed. This includes tithing and circumcision, imo.
Leviticus chapters 17 - 26
some of the laws in the "Code of Righteousness". Morality, food and health laws. A lot of common sense is in those chapters.
Acts 15:19-21 English Standard Version
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,
20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.
21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
I don't think Paul ever wanted to learn what Jesus taught.
300+ COMMANDS OF JESUS - https://web.archive.org/web/20120308170 ... jesus.html]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-17T21:36:18+00:00 2025-02-26T17:04:29+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35407#p35407 The Complete Sayings of Jesus
By Arthur Hinds [1927]
https://sacred-texts.com/bib/csj/
https://web.archive.org/web/20241231114 ... m/bib/csj/

All the words of Jesus, spoken to Paul. Allegedly.
Condensed and taken out of context so as to view the scarcity.
Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Ananias! Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, and hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: for I will show him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace; for I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee; for I have much people in this city.

It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me.

Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.

Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctioned by faith that is in me.

My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
2 Corinthians 12:7-9 King James Version
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Jesus told his followers to drive out the demons. If Paul couldn't do it himself, why didn't he ask one of his own disciples to do it for him?
Why didn't he just ask Peter and James for some help? Maybe he should have stopped eating and tried fasting and prayer. I seem to recall that being in Jesus' teachings. Poor brother Paul.


I, I, I, My, My, My, We, We, We.
There's a lot of that in Paul's writings
I've always wanted to count how many times the ever so humble Paul, made it all about himself. I ain't got that kinda time. Too daunting.]]>
The Complete Sayings of Jesus
By Arthur Hinds [1927]
https://sacred-texts.com/bib/csj/
https://web.archive.org/web/20241231114 ... m/bib/csj/

All the words of Jesus, spoken to Paul. Allegedly.
Condensed and taken out of context so as to view the scarcity.
Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Ananias! Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, and hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: for I will show him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace; for I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee; for I have much people in this city.

It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me.

Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.

Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctioned by faith that is in me.

My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
2 Corinthians 12:7-9 King James Version
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Jesus told his followers to drive out the demons. If Paul couldn't do it himself, why didn't he ask one of his own disciples to do it for him?
Why didn't he just ask Peter and James for some help? Maybe he should have stopped eating and tried fasting and prayer. I seem to recall that being in Jesus' teachings. Poor brother Paul.


I, I, I, My, My, My, We, We, We.
There's a lot of that in Paul's writings
I've always wanted to count how many times the ever so humble Paul, made it all about himself. I ain't got that kinda time. Too daunting.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by FeathersMcGraw]]> 2025-02-17T22:52:07+00:00 2025-02-17T22:52:07+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35408#p35408 Thanks SWMBO, I'm interested in this but there are too many examples! In building up the "weight of evidence" by sheer quantity they've necessarily included some which are a bit dubious and unconvincing, which probably detract from the better ones.

I'd be looking for, say, 2 or 3 good examples of clear differences between Paul's and Jesus' teachings.

I've often thought that Paul was the "showman" who took Jesus on the road and made him popular. We should certainly thank Paul for that, but it does raise questions about his authenticity.]]>
Thanks SWMBO, I'm interested in this but there are too many examples! In building up the "weight of evidence" by sheer quantity they've necessarily included some which are a bit dubious and unconvincing, which probably detract from the better ones.

I'd be looking for, say, 2 or 3 good examples of clear differences between Paul's and Jesus' teachings.

I've often thought that Paul was the "showman" who took Jesus on the road and made him popular. We should certainly thank Paul for that, but it does raise questions about his authenticity.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-17T23:07:44+00:00 2025-02-17T23:07:44+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35409#p35409 If it's about the list, I'm still working on that. I'm w/out my study books & notes, atm. Mostly I've just been reading stuff.]]> If it's about the list, I'm still working on that. I'm w/out my study books & notes, atm. Mostly I've just been reading stuff.]]> <![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-18T19:32:05+00:00 2025-02-27T14:48:48+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35416#p35416 Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok.

Paul did not know about DNA, hormones, or any other science. He thought that meat from a pagan temple sacrifice couldn't be different from other meat. But he was wrong.
The Hebrew laws about meat eating include humane killing of the animal, and draining of the blood (see Levitical Laws). Good hunters know this, why doesn't Paul?
The pagans would torture and terrify the sacrifice to maximize the amount of adrenalin in the blood. We aren't even supposed to eat blood (see medical studies on consumption of blood). Paul could not have known the science and why God told us not to eat blood. His god was a false god. And not a very good scientist.

God says.
Genesis 9:4 King James Version
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Jesus says.
Rev. 2:6 (Ephesus)
But you have this to your credit: You hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
Some Aramaic Scholars suggest 'Nicolaitans' translates into, 'let-us-eat-ers', from the Greek. If this is true then Jesus has a great sense of humor.
Rev. 2:14-15 (Pergamum)
14 But I have a few things against you, because some of you hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to place a stumbling block before the Israelites so they would eat food sacrificed to idols and commit sexual immorality. 15 In the same way, some of you also hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans.
Revelation 2:20 (Thyatira)
But I have against thee a few things: That thou dost suffer the woman Jezebel, who is calling herself a prophetess, to teach, and to lead astray, my servants to commit whoredom, and idol-sacrifices to eat.
James' ruling at the Jerusalem Council.
Acts 15:20
but to write to them to abstain from the pollutions of the idols, and the whoredom, and the strangled thing; and the blood.
Acts 21:25
And concerning those of the nations who have believed, we have written, having given judgment, that they observe no such thing, except to keep themselves both from idol-sacrifices, and blood, and a strangled thing, and whoredom.
Acts 15:29
to abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and a strangled thing, and whoredom; from which keeping yourselves, ye shall do well; be strong!

Paul taught.

1 Corinthians 8:4-13
Contemporary English Version
This is the clearest version of Paul's word salad I could find.
8:4-6
4 Even though food is offered to idols, we know that none of the idols in this world are alive. After all, there is only one God.
5 Many things in heaven and on earth are called gods and lords, but none of them really are gods or lords.
6 We have only one God, and he is the Father. He created everything, and we live for him. Jesus Christ is our only Lord. Everything was made by him, and by him life was given to us.
Does Satan knows he's not a god (elohim)? Or, that he is not a lord (master, ruler), over anyone? What about the Prince of Persia? Mastema? Gabriel? Michael? Raphael? Aren't they real gods?
Didn't Paul ever read Enoch? You know, in the temple, studying to be a Pharisee? Didn't anyone teach him about 'the gods'? He musta went to a 'Public Synagogue'.
8:7-8
7 Not everyone knows these things. In fact, many people have grown up with the belief that idols have life in them. So when they eat meat offered to idols, they are bothered by a weak conscience.
8 But food doesn't bring us any closer to God. We are no worse off if we don't eat, and we are no better off if we do.
Weak conscience? The people who grew up in pagan temples witnessed their 'meat' being tortured, killed and cooked. Drank blood, ate blood pudding. What about the cannibalistic idol worshipers, who ate human flesh, drank human blood? What about Haggis? Yuk! Learn from pagan history and science.
8:9-10
9 Don't cause problems for someone with a weak conscience, just because you have the right to eat anything.
10 You know all this, and so it doesn't bother you to eat in the temple of an idol. But suppose a person with a weak conscience sees you and decides to eat food that has been offered to idols.
You have the right to eat anything, just don't get caught. Bullshit!
8:11-13
11 Then what you know has destroyed someone Christ died for.
12 When you sin by hurting a follower with a weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
13 So if I hurt one of the Lord's followers by what I eat, I will never eat meat as long as I live.
What a Drama Queen. How about if we just Stay Out of Pagan Temples! Why couldn't Paul give this simple advice?

1 Corinthians 10:19-29
Contemporary English Version
19 Am I saying that either the idols or the food sacrificed to them is anything at all?
20 No, I am not! This food is really sacrificed to demons and not to God. I don't want you to have anything to do with demons.
21 You cannot drink from the cup of demons and still drink from the Lord's cup. You cannot eat at the table of demons and still eat at the Lord's table.
22 We would make the Lord jealous if we did this. And we are not stronger than the Lord.
But Paul said earlier,
8:4-5
4 Even though food is offered to idols, we know that none of the idols in this world are alive. After all, there is only one God.
5 Many things in heaven and on earth are called gods and lords, but none of them really are gods or lords.
I wish he'd make up his mind. What a yoyo.
10:23-26
23 Some of you say, “We can do whatever we want to!” But I tell you not everything may be good or helpful.
24 We should think about others and not about ourselves.
25 However, when you buy meat in the market, go ahead and eat it. Keep your conscience clear by not asking where the meat came from.
26 The Scriptures say, “The earth and everything in it belong to the Lord.”
Paul already said, "You have the right to eat anything". Didn't he?
However, when you buy meat in the market, go ahead and eat it.

Not a very good piece of advice. Definitely the 'Dumbest Man Ever'.
Did any of the real Apostles say anything that stupid or uninspired?
10:27-29
27 If an unbeliever invites you to dinner, and you want to go, then go. Eat whatever you are served. Don't cause a problem for someone's conscience by asking where the food came from.
28-29 But if you are told it has been sacrificed to idols, don't cause a problem by eating it. I don't mean a problem for yourself, but for the one who told you. Why should my freedom be limited by someone else's conscience?
"Why should my freedom be limited?"
And there it is.

I wonder if Paul knew about all the sex acts and orgies going on in the pagan temples?
I wonder how many naughty things a person had to participate in, before they could eat the meat and drink the blood?
I wonder what Yah thinks?]]>
Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok.

Paul did not know about DNA, hormones, or any other science. He thought that meat from a pagan temple sacrifice couldn't be different from other meat. But he was wrong.
The Hebrew laws about meat eating include humane killing of the animal, and draining of the blood (see Levitical Laws). Good hunters know this, why doesn't Paul?
The pagans would torture and terrify the sacrifice to maximize the amount of adrenalin in the blood. We aren't even supposed to eat blood (see medical studies on consumption of blood). Paul could not have known the science and why God told us not to eat blood. His god was a false god. And not a very good scientist.

God says.
Genesis 9:4 King James Version
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Jesus says.
Rev. 2:6 (Ephesus)
But you have this to your credit: You hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
Some Aramaic Scholars suggest 'Nicolaitans' translates into, 'let-us-eat-ers', from the Greek. If this is true then Jesus has a great sense of humor.
Rev. 2:14-15 (Pergamum)
14 But I have a few things against you, because some of you hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to place a stumbling block before the Israelites so they would eat food sacrificed to idols and commit sexual immorality. 15 In the same way, some of you also hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans.
Revelation 2:20 (Thyatira)
But I have against thee a few things: That thou dost suffer the woman Jezebel, who is calling herself a prophetess, to teach, and to lead astray, my servants to commit whoredom, and idol-sacrifices to eat.
James' ruling at the Jerusalem Council.
Acts 15:20
but to write to them to abstain from the pollutions of the idols, and the whoredom, and the strangled thing; and the blood.
Acts 21:25
And concerning those of the nations who have believed, we have written, having given judgment, that they observe no such thing, except to keep themselves both from idol-sacrifices, and blood, and a strangled thing, and whoredom.
Acts 15:29
to abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and a strangled thing, and whoredom; from which keeping yourselves, ye shall do well; be strong!

Paul taught.

1 Corinthians 8:4-13
Contemporary English Version
This is the clearest version of Paul's word salad I could find.
8:4-6
4 Even though food is offered to idols, we know that none of the idols in this world are alive. After all, there is only one God.
5 Many things in heaven and on earth are called gods and lords, but none of them really are gods or lords.
6 We have only one God, and he is the Father. He created everything, and we live for him. Jesus Christ is our only Lord. Everything was made by him, and by him life was given to us.
Does Satan knows he's not a god (elohim)? Or, that he is not a lord (master, ruler), over anyone? What about the Prince of Persia? Mastema? Gabriel? Michael? Raphael? Aren't they real gods?
Didn't Paul ever read Enoch? You know, in the temple, studying to be a Pharisee? Didn't anyone teach him about 'the gods'? He musta went to a 'Public Synagogue'.
8:7-8
7 Not everyone knows these things. In fact, many people have grown up with the belief that idols have life in them. So when they eat meat offered to idols, they are bothered by a weak conscience.
8 But food doesn't bring us any closer to God. We are no worse off if we don't eat, and we are no better off if we do.
Weak conscience? The people who grew up in pagan temples witnessed their 'meat' being tortured, killed and cooked. Drank blood, ate blood pudding. What about the cannibalistic idol worshipers, who ate human flesh, drank human blood? What about Haggis? Yuk! Learn from pagan history and science.
8:9-10
9 Don't cause problems for someone with a weak conscience, just because you have the right to eat anything.
10 You know all this, and so it doesn't bother you to eat in the temple of an idol. But suppose a person with a weak conscience sees you and decides to eat food that has been offered to idols.
You have the right to eat anything, just don't get caught. Bullshit!
8:11-13
11 Then what you know has destroyed someone Christ died for.
12 When you sin by hurting a follower with a weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
13 So if I hurt one of the Lord's followers by what I eat, I will never eat meat as long as I live.
What a Drama Queen. How about if we just Stay Out of Pagan Temples! Why couldn't Paul give this simple advice?

1 Corinthians 10:19-29
Contemporary English Version
19 Am I saying that either the idols or the food sacrificed to them is anything at all?
20 No, I am not! This food is really sacrificed to demons and not to God. I don't want you to have anything to do with demons.
21 You cannot drink from the cup of demons and still drink from the Lord's cup. You cannot eat at the table of demons and still eat at the Lord's table.
22 We would make the Lord jealous if we did this. And we are not stronger than the Lord.
But Paul said earlier,
8:4-5
4 Even though food is offered to idols, we know that none of the idols in this world are alive. After all, there is only one God.
5 Many things in heaven and on earth are called gods and lords, but none of them really are gods or lords.
I wish he'd make up his mind. What a yoyo.
10:23-26
23 Some of you say, “We can do whatever we want to!” But I tell you not everything may be good or helpful.
24 We should think about others and not about ourselves.
25 However, when you buy meat in the market, go ahead and eat it. Keep your conscience clear by not asking where the meat came from.
26 The Scriptures say, “The earth and everything in it belong to the Lord.”
Paul already said, "You have the right to eat anything". Didn't he?
However, when you buy meat in the market, go ahead and eat it.

Not a very good piece of advice. Definitely the 'Dumbest Man Ever'.
Did any of the real Apostles say anything that stupid or uninspired?
10:27-29
27 If an unbeliever invites you to dinner, and you want to go, then go. Eat whatever you are served. Don't cause a problem for someone's conscience by asking where the food came from.
28-29 But if you are told it has been sacrificed to idols, don't cause a problem by eating it. I don't mean a problem for yourself, but for the one who told you. Why should my freedom be limited by someone else's conscience?
"Why should my freedom be limited?"
And there it is.

I wonder if Paul knew about all the sex acts and orgies going on in the pagan temples?
I wonder how many naughty things a person had to participate in, before they could eat the meat and drink the blood?
I wonder what Yah thinks?]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-19T02:11:05+00:00 2025-02-27T15:07:05+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35417#p35417 Widows

God gave many commands to help widows, orphans, foreigners and the poor.
Exodus 22:22; Deuteronomy 10:18, 14:29, 16:10, 16:13-15, 24:19, 26:12, 26:13, 27:19; Job 22:9, 24:3, 31:16; Psalm 68:5, 94:6, 146:9; Proverbs 15:25; Isaiah 1:17, 1:23, 10:2; Jeremiah 7:6, 22:1, 49:11; Ezekiel 22:7, 22:25; Zechariah 7:10; Malachi 3:5
Jesus gave no marriage law to widows.

Jesus says.
Mark 12:40 Contemporary English Version
But they cheat widows out of their homes and pray long prayers just to show off. They will be punished most of all.
Luke 20:47 Contemporary English Version
But they cheat widows out of their homes and then pray long prayers just to show off. These teachers will be punished most of all.
James.
James 1:27 Contemporary English Version
Religion that pleases God the Father must be pure and spotless. You must help needy orphans and widows and not let this world make you evil.
Paul's Rules for Widows
1 Corinthians 7:8-9
I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
Paul tells the widows in Corinth it's good to stay a widow, but they are free to remarry. No instructions beyond this. The Corinth church was free to help all.

Longevity In The Ancient World
https://earlychurchhistory.org/daily-li ... ent-world/
https://web.archive.org/web/20241227171 ... ent-world/ - https://archive.ph/YYDbH
There is little firm information about the collective lives of those who lived in the first centuries BC and the first centuries AD, but the conjecture is that the average life span was about 35 years.
The 35-40 average life span of people in the Western world held true through the Dark Ages, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance until the 19th and 20th centuries when modern medicine and its life-preserving discoveries began in earnest.
For thousands of years, life was uncertain but it was pretty certain the normal person would not live past 40 years.
Paul's private letter to Timothy. (Ephesus)

These are Paul's rules for the widows who don't have anyone left to care for them.
If a widow lives 20 years past her life expectancy and never remarries, then the church can help her.
1 Timothy 5:9
Let no one be enrolled as a widow under sixty years old, having been the wife of one man.
What if she's 50? No.
What if she's been widowed twice? Nope.
What if she's under 60 and just needs some help getting back to her family? Absolutely not. It's 60 or nuthin.

How is a widow under 60 expected to live? Professional Beggar? Prostitution? Paul doesn't seem to care.
Why?
1 Timothy 5:11
But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
Don't help the young widows, make them remarry. Shameless Hussies!
If young widows marry again, it's because they're wanton against Christ. But Paul says they're supposed to marry again.
Maybe he thinks that only virgins go to 'heaven'? Notice how this rule would prevent these women from ever receiving help.
1 Timothy 5:14
14 I will therefore that the younger women (widows) marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
Young widows need to marry again, have more children with a different father. And everyone lives happily ever after. Another Stellar Piece of Advice from, the Dumbest Man Ever.
Why is Paul so concerned with excluding most, if not all of the widows from receiving help in Ephesus?
Why no rules like this for the widows of Corinth?

It's to make sure that men who run the church have double portions to give themselves, instead of giving to the poor, like Jesus told them to.


• Paul Says Elders Are Entitled To Pay for 'Preaching & Teaching,' But Jesus Says No.

God's condemnations of priests/prophets who take money.
Micah 3:11 Contemporary English Version
You leaders accept bribes for dishonest decisions. You priests and prophets teach and preach, but only for money. Then you say, "The LORD is on our side. No harm will come to us."
More - Jeremiah 6:13; Isaiah 1:23, 56:11; Ezekiel 22:27; Jeremiah 5:31, 8:10; Zephaniah 3:3; Hosea 4:8
Jesus said.
Matthew 10:7-10 Contemporary English Version
7 As you go, announce that the kingdom of heaven will soon be here.
8 Heal the sick, raise the dead to life, heal people who have leprosy, and force out demons. You received without paying, now give without being paid.
9 Don't take along any gold, silver, or copper coins. 10 And don't carry a traveling bag or an extra shirt or sandals or a walking stick. Workers deserve their food.
Workers deserve their wages/food for the actual physical labor they do, as payment from their hosts in the town. Not for spreading the Gospel.
What part of the Hebraic Hospitality Laws, didn't a Pharisee like Paul understand?

Paul said
1 Timothy 5:17 Contemporary English Version
Church leaders who do their job well deserve to be paid twice as much, especially if they work hard at preaching and teaching.
I thought they were doing it because they love God. Not mammon.
Jesus is our only pastor and teacher, he doesn't need the money. He said give to the poor, not the pastor/minister/priest.
1 Corinthians 9:14 Contemporary English Version
In the same way, the Lord wants everyone who preaches the good news to make a living from preaching this message.
Don't forget to put the priests in grand palaces, with lots of temple prostitutes, and give them a double portion, while the poor starve.
Paul taught Prosperity Preaching 101. He probably needed a new airplane, and a trip to the Riviera.

If there is no paul in the Church, then there are no evil men, at the top of the chuchianity pyramid to take anything away from anyone. Only the writings from a roman infiltrator, sent to destroy the church from within, can make it happen. Rome has done an outstanding job. Nero would be proud. So would that creep Constantine.


• Jesus Teaches There Are Only 12 Apostles Into Eternity, But Paul Adds Himself To The List As a Thirteenth.
Acts 1:21-26 KJV
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Revelation 21:12-14 KJV
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Paul called himself an Apostle, no one who met him did. He had the nerve to call himself the apostle to the gentiles. That was The Apostle Peter's calling, not Paul's. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, has an older and different meaning than I thought.
What did he do after Damascus? He spent 14+ years in Arabia (see Paul's mystery years). Someone must have told him there was a terrific 'Apostles Academy' there. Which Apostle did he study under? That teacher was terrible!
Maybe he was learning how to supplement his 'tentmaker/circus/stagehand' income, by robbing widows. idk]]>
Widows

God gave many commands to help widows, orphans, foreigners and the poor.
Exodus 22:22; Deuteronomy 10:18, 14:29, 16:10, 16:13-15, 24:19, 26:12, 26:13, 27:19; Job 22:9, 24:3, 31:16; Psalm 68:5, 94:6, 146:9; Proverbs 15:25; Isaiah 1:17, 1:23, 10:2; Jeremiah 7:6, 22:1, 49:11; Ezekiel 22:7, 22:25; Zechariah 7:10; Malachi 3:5
Jesus gave no marriage law to widows.

Jesus says.
Mark 12:40 Contemporary English Version
But they cheat widows out of their homes and pray long prayers just to show off. They will be punished most of all.
Luke 20:47 Contemporary English Version
But they cheat widows out of their homes and then pray long prayers just to show off. These teachers will be punished most of all.
James.
James 1:27 Contemporary English Version
Religion that pleases God the Father must be pure and spotless. You must help needy orphans and widows and not let this world make you evil.
Paul's Rules for Widows
1 Corinthians 7:8-9
I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
Paul tells the widows in Corinth it's good to stay a widow, but they are free to remarry. No instructions beyond this. The Corinth church was free to help all.

Longevity In The Ancient World
https://earlychurchhistory.org/daily-li ... ent-world/
https://web.archive.org/web/20241227171 ... ent-world/ - https://archive.ph/YYDbH
There is little firm information about the collective lives of those who lived in the first centuries BC and the first centuries AD, but the conjecture is that the average life span was about 35 years.
The 35-40 average life span of people in the Western world held true through the Dark Ages, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance until the 19th and 20th centuries when modern medicine and its life-preserving discoveries began in earnest.
For thousands of years, life was uncertain but it was pretty certain the normal person would not live past 40 years.
Paul's private letter to Timothy. (Ephesus)

These are Paul's rules for the widows who don't have anyone left to care for them.
If a widow lives 20 years past her life expectancy and never remarries, then the church can help her.
1 Timothy 5:9
Let no one be enrolled as a widow under sixty years old, having been the wife of one man.
What if she's 50? No.
What if she's been widowed twice? Nope.
What if she's under 60 and just needs some help getting back to her family? Absolutely not. It's 60 or nuthin.

How is a widow under 60 expected to live? Professional Beggar? Prostitution? Paul doesn't seem to care.
Why?
1 Timothy 5:11
But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
Don't help the young widows, make them remarry. Shameless Hussies!
If young widows marry again, it's because they're wanton against Christ. But Paul says they're supposed to marry again.
Maybe he thinks that only virgins go to 'heaven'? Notice how this rule would prevent these women from ever receiving help.
1 Timothy 5:14
14 I will therefore that the younger women (widows) marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
Young widows need to marry again, have more children with a different father. And everyone lives happily ever after. Another Stellar Piece of Advice from, the Dumbest Man Ever.
Why is Paul so concerned with excluding most, if not all of the widows from receiving help in Ephesus?
Why no rules like this for the widows of Corinth?

It's to make sure that men who run the church have double portions to give themselves, instead of giving to the poor, like Jesus told them to.


• Paul Says Elders Are Entitled To Pay for 'Preaching & Teaching,' But Jesus Says No.

God's condemnations of priests/prophets who take money.
Micah 3:11 Contemporary English Version
You leaders accept bribes for dishonest decisions. You priests and prophets teach and preach, but only for money. Then you say, "The LORD is on our side. No harm will come to us."
More - Jeremiah 6:13; Isaiah 1:23, 56:11; Ezekiel 22:27; Jeremiah 5:31, 8:10; Zephaniah 3:3; Hosea 4:8
Jesus said.
Matthew 10:7-10 Contemporary English Version
7 As you go, announce that the kingdom of heaven will soon be here.
8 Heal the sick, raise the dead to life, heal people who have leprosy, and force out demons. You received without paying, now give without being paid.
9 Don't take along any gold, silver, or copper coins. 10 And don't carry a traveling bag or an extra shirt or sandals or a walking stick. Workers deserve their food.
Workers deserve their wages/food for the actual physical labor they do, as payment from their hosts in the town. Not for spreading the Gospel.
What part of the Hebraic Hospitality Laws, didn't a Pharisee like Paul understand?

Paul said
1 Timothy 5:17 Contemporary English Version
Church leaders who do their job well deserve to be paid twice as much, especially if they work hard at preaching and teaching.
I thought they were doing it because they love God. Not mammon.
Jesus is our only pastor and teacher, he doesn't need the money. He said give to the poor, not the pastor/minister/priest.
1 Corinthians 9:14 Contemporary English Version
In the same way, the Lord wants everyone who preaches the good news to make a living from preaching this message.
Don't forget to put the priests in grand palaces, with lots of temple prostitutes, and give them a double portion, while the poor starve.
Paul taught Prosperity Preaching 101. He probably needed a new airplane, and a trip to the Riviera.

If there is no paul in the Church, then there are no evil men, at the top of the chuchianity pyramid to take anything away from anyone. Only the writings from a roman infiltrator, sent to destroy the church from within, can make it happen. Rome has done an outstanding job. Nero would be proud. So would that creep Constantine.


• Jesus Teaches There Are Only 12 Apostles Into Eternity, But Paul Adds Himself To The List As a Thirteenth.
Acts 1:21-26 KJV
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Revelation 21:12-14 KJV
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Paul called himself an Apostle, no one who met him did. He had the nerve to call himself the apostle to the gentiles. That was The Apostle Peter's calling, not Paul's. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, has an older and different meaning than I thought.
What did he do after Damascus? He spent 14+ years in Arabia (see Paul's mystery years). Someone must have told him there was a terrific 'Apostles Academy' there. Which Apostle did he study under? That teacher was terrible!
Maybe he was learning how to supplement his 'tentmaker/circus/stagehand' income, by robbing widows. idk]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-20T21:45:14+00:00 2025-02-24T18:19:23+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35431#p35431 hypocrite
/hĭp′ə-krĭt″/
noun
1. One who assumes a false appearance; one who feigns to be what he is not, or to feel or believe what he does not actually feel or believe; especially, a false pretender to virtue or piety.
2. Synonyms - Dissembler, Hypocrite (see dissembler); Pharisee, formalist, cheat.
- from The Century Dictionary.
:o :lol:
Matthew 23:1-15 King James Version
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Acts 23:6 King James Version
6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
Matthew 23:25-29 King James Version
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Luke 11:39-43 King James Version
39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
43 Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
2 Peter 2:1 King James Version
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
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hypocrite
/hĭp′ə-krĭt″/
noun
1. One who assumes a false appearance; one who feigns to be what he is not, or to feel or believe what he does not actually feel or believe; especially, a false pretender to virtue or piety.
2. Synonyms - Dissembler, Hypocrite (see dissembler); Pharisee, formalist, cheat.
- from The Century Dictionary.
:o :lol:
Matthew 23:1-15 King James Version
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Acts 23:6 King James Version
6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
Matthew 23:25-29 King James Version
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Luke 11:39-43 King James Version
39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
43 Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
2 Peter 2:1 King James Version
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
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<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by FeathersMcGraw]]> 2025-02-21T19:58:11+00:00 2025-02-21T19:58:11+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35438#p35438
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:52 pm ...by sheer quantity they've necessarily included some...
Sorry I didn't twig that this is your own work. Hat's off to you, it's fascinating.]]>
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:52 pm ...by sheer quantity they've necessarily included some...
Sorry I didn't twig that this is your own work. Hat's off to you, it's fascinating.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-21T20:12:41+00:00 2025-02-21T20:12:41+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35439#p35439 The list is from the article I posted. I've been working off it. That man is a treasure, to me. Very grateful he was able to restore his website and utoob channel, after they were sabotaged. It's hard for me to read paul, without a tummy ache. This lawyers knowledge of greek and latin, his IQ and snarkiness, help me get through it.]]> The list is from the article I posted. I've been working off it. That man is a treasure, to me. Very grateful he was able to restore his website and utoob channel, after they were sabotaged. It's hard for me to read paul, without a tummy ache. This lawyers knowledge of greek and latin, his IQ and snarkiness, help me get through it.]]> <![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-22T15:54:59+00:00 2025-02-26T16:24:59+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35445#p35445 God as my witness! I do not lie! I tell the truth!

Paul doth protest too much, methinks.
Romans 3:7 Common English Bible
But if God’s truth is demonstrated by my lie and it increases his glory, why am I still judged as a sinner?
Umm, because you're a sinful liar?
Romans 9:1 Common English Bible
I’m speaking the truth in Christ—I’m not lying, as my conscience assures me with the Holy Spirit:
What lie did the romans accuse him of?
1 Thessalonians 2:5 Common English Bible
As you know, we never used flattery, and God is our witness that we didn’t have greedy motives.
I wonder what those poor widows in Ephesus would have said about his motives?
Galatians 1:20 Common English Bible
Before God, I’m not lying about the things that I’m writing to you!
Philippians 1:18 - Common English Bible
What do I think about this? Just this: since Christ is proclaimed in every possible way, whether from dishonest or true motives, I’m glad and I’ll continue to be glad.
I'm certainly glad, one of us is glad.
1 Timothy 2:7 Common English Bible
I was appointed to be a preacher and apostle of this testimony—I’m telling the truth and I’m not lying! I’m a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
Now give me my double cut from the widows and orphans fund!
2 Corinthians 1:23 Common English Bible
I call on God as my witness—I didn’t come again to Corinth because I wanted to spare you.
2 Corinthians 11:31 Common English Bible
The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, the one who is blessed forever, knows that I’m not lying.
2 Corinthians 12:16 Common English Bible
We all know that I didn’t place a burden on you, but in spite of that you think I’m a con artist who fooled you with a trick.
I didn't even burden your widows, like I did in Ephesus.
Con Artist and Trickster. Yeah, that about sums it up.
2 Corinthians 12:19 Common English Bible
Have you been thinking up to now that we are defending ourselves to you? Actually, we are speaking in the sight of God and in Christ. Dear friends, everything is meant to build you up.
He must have told some whoppers to the people of Corinth.

I dare any parent to tell me Paul wasn't a liar.
Did any of the Apostles have to assure people they weren't lying all the time?

God says.
Exodus 20:16 King James Version
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Isaiah 44:25 King James Version
That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
It's like God might have had some foreknowledge of Paul's ministry.

There's more here: Psalm 116:11; Proverbs 17:4, 19:22, 30:6

Jesus says.
John 8:44 King James Version
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Pay attention Paul.
John 8:55 King James Version
Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
You never met him paul. You don't even know what he taught.
Revelation 2:2 King James Version (Ephesus)
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
It was the Apostle John who stepped in at Ephesus and fixed the damage Paul had done. Read The Acts of Timothy.
Revelation 21:8 King James Version
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Well, at least he'll have a warm reception.

John says.
1 John 1:10 King James Version
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 John 2:4 King James Version
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 4:20 King James Version
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Yeah Paul! Stop going around wishing for men to chop their sexual organs off! Why not pray for them?
1 John 5:10 King James Version
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
You know he's talking about the commandments. Right, Paul?

Paul:
"Why should my freedom be limited?"
Paul lied in court too.
The lawyer explains it well.

TL/DR: Of course he lied! Are you nuts? And all the widows shouted, "Amen"]]>
God as my witness! I do not lie! I tell the truth!

Paul doth protest too much, methinks.
Romans 3:7 Common English Bible
But if God’s truth is demonstrated by my lie and it increases his glory, why am I still judged as a sinner?
Umm, because you're a sinful liar?
Romans 9:1 Common English Bible
I’m speaking the truth in Christ—I’m not lying, as my conscience assures me with the Holy Spirit:
What lie did the romans accuse him of?
1 Thessalonians 2:5 Common English Bible
As you know, we never used flattery, and God is our witness that we didn’t have greedy motives.
I wonder what those poor widows in Ephesus would have said about his motives?
Galatians 1:20 Common English Bible
Before God, I’m not lying about the things that I’m writing to you!
Philippians 1:18 - Common English Bible
What do I think about this? Just this: since Christ is proclaimed in every possible way, whether from dishonest or true motives, I’m glad and I’ll continue to be glad.
I'm certainly glad, one of us is glad.
1 Timothy 2:7 Common English Bible
I was appointed to be a preacher and apostle of this testimony—I’m telling the truth and I’m not lying! I’m a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
Now give me my double cut from the widows and orphans fund!
2 Corinthians 1:23 Common English Bible
I call on God as my witness—I didn’t come again to Corinth because I wanted to spare you.
2 Corinthians 11:31 Common English Bible
The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, the one who is blessed forever, knows that I’m not lying.
2 Corinthians 12:16 Common English Bible
We all know that I didn’t place a burden on you, but in spite of that you think I’m a con artist who fooled you with a trick.
I didn't even burden your widows, like I did in Ephesus.
Con Artist and Trickster. Yeah, that about sums it up.
2 Corinthians 12:19 Common English Bible
Have you been thinking up to now that we are defending ourselves to you? Actually, we are speaking in the sight of God and in Christ. Dear friends, everything is meant to build you up.
He must have told some whoppers to the people of Corinth.

I dare any parent to tell me Paul wasn't a liar.
Did any of the Apostles have to assure people they weren't lying all the time?

God says.
Exodus 20:16 King James Version
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Isaiah 44:25 King James Version
That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
It's like God might have had some foreknowledge of Paul's ministry.

There's more here: Psalm 116:11; Proverbs 17:4, 19:22, 30:6

Jesus says.
John 8:44 King James Version
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Pay attention Paul.
John 8:55 King James Version
Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
You never met him paul. You don't even know what he taught.
Revelation 2:2 King James Version (Ephesus)
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
It was the Apostle John who stepped in at Ephesus and fixed the damage Paul had done. Read The Acts of Timothy.
Revelation 21:8 King James Version
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Well, at least he'll have a warm reception.

John says.
1 John 1:10 King James Version
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 John 2:4 King James Version
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 4:20 King James Version
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Yeah Paul! Stop going around wishing for men to chop their sexual organs off! Why not pray for them?
1 John 5:10 King James Version
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
You know he's talking about the commandments. Right, Paul?

Paul:
"Why should my freedom be limited?"
Paul lied in court too.
The lawyer explains it well.

TL/DR: Of course he lied! Are you nuts? And all the widows shouted, "Amen"]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-22T16:09:33+00:00 2025-02-22T16:09:33+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35446#p35446 And now you know why Paul demanded that the woman stay silent, and cover themselves from head to toe.
He couldn't stand to look in their eyes, They knew he was a Twinky. And he probably couldn't be heard very well over their jeers and hisses.
I'd have slingshot his feckless fanny. He didn't have a rule about that!]]>
And now you know why Paul demanded that the woman stay silent, and cover themselves from head to toe.
He couldn't stand to look in their eyes, They knew he was a Twinky. And he probably couldn't be heard very well over their jeers and hisses.
I'd have slingshot his feckless fanny. He didn't have a rule about that!]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by FeathersMcGraw]]> 2025-02-25T20:02:08+00:00 2025-02-25T20:02:08+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35471#p35471
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:54 pm
The lawyer explains it well.
Yikes! I think my faith shifted today.

To be clear: my faith in the Church as an administrative organisation, not my faith in Jesus. Jesus is God and the Son of God.

Thanks SWMBO for the challenge.]]>
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:54 pm
The lawyer explains it well.
Yikes! I think my faith shifted today.

To be clear: my faith in the Church as an administrative organisation, not my faith in Jesus. Jesus is God and the Son of God.

Thanks SWMBO for the challenge.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-25T20:09:52+00:00 2025-02-25T20:09:52+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35473#p35473 Hey! I'm not done with this stuff, yet. Almost done.]]> Hey! I'm not done with this stuff, yet. Almost done.]]> <![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-27T15:50:12+00:00 2025-02-27T15:50:12+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35489#p35489 @doginventer @FeathersMcGraw
I think I'm done with these reasons for why I ignore Paul's writings. I know I have more written down, but those will have to wait.
Paul is the weapon that evil people use to commit crimes against those who seek the Narrow Path (Judaizers). Paul's message has always been
Do as thou wilt, pay the priest, and God will forgive you. Works? Naw, trust me bro!
If you want more, I'll have to write 'The Snarky Girls Guide to Understanding Paul', available at Amazon.
With Much Love,
swmbo]]>
@doginventer @FeathersMcGraw
I think I'm done with these reasons for why I ignore Paul's writings. I know I have more written down, but those will have to wait.
Paul is the weapon that evil people use to commit crimes against those who seek the Narrow Path (Judaizers). Paul's message has always been
Do as thou wilt, pay the priest, and God will forgive you. Works? Naw, trust me bro!
If you want more, I'll have to write 'The Snarky Girls Guide to Understanding Paul', available at Amazon.
With Much Love,
swmbo]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by FeathersMcGraw]]> 2025-02-27T19:22:36+00:00 2025-02-27T19:22:36+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35490#p35490 This is truly a work of art
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:50 pm If you want more, I'll have to write 'The Snarky Girls Guide to Understanding Paul', available at Amazon.
I'd read that ❤️]]>
This is truly a work of art
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:50 pm If you want more, I'll have to write 'The Snarky Girls Guide to Understanding Paul', available at Amazon.
I'd read that ❤️]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-27T20:16:49+00:00 2025-02-27T20:16:49+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35491#p35491
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:22 pm This is truly a work of art
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:50 pm If you want more, I'll have to write 'The Snarky Girls Guide to Understanding Paul', available at Amazon.
I'd read that ❤️
Thank you. It's only because you like to laugh at retards. but if you're serious....
How fast can you type? Never mind, i know you got me beat. I can use up to 4-5 fingers, instead of just two. progress is slow.
Editting skills?
How's your spilling? Gramma?
Ho'ws your punctuation?
Can you translate snarky girl into soft spoken gentlelady, for business purposes?
What are your wages? I'd be giving it away for free you know.
How soon will you be available?]]>
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:22 pm This is truly a work of art
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:50 pm If you want more, I'll have to write 'The Snarky Girls Guide to Understanding Paul', available at Amazon.
I'd read that ❤️
Thank you. It's only because you like to laugh at retards. but if you're serious....
How fast can you type? Never mind, i know you got me beat. I can use up to 4-5 fingers, instead of just two. progress is slow.
Editting skills?
How's your spilling? Gramma?
Ho'ws your punctuation?
Can you translate snarky girl into soft spoken gentlelady, for business purposes?
What are your wages? I'd be giving it away for free you know.
How soon will you be available?]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by FeathersMcGraw]]> 2025-02-27T20:40:44+00:00 2025-02-27T20:40:44+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35492#p35492
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:16 pm How fast can you type?
Slowly. But AI speech to text works extremely well.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:16 pm Editting skills?
How's your spilling? Gramma?
Ho'ws your punctuation?
All excellent.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:16 pm Can you translate snarky girl into soft spoken gentlelady, for business purposes?
I could, but that would be at the expense of your "voice", which is too valuable.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:16 pm What are your wages? I'd be giving it away for free you know.
If it helped spread the Word of God it would be entirely a labour of love.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:16 pm How soon will you be available?
It just so happens that my only fixed commitment finishes next week. I have lots of ideas and plans to pursue, and if you're serious this could be one of them.]]>
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:16 pm How fast can you type?
Slowly. But AI speech to text works extremely well.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:16 pm Editting skills?
How's your spilling? Gramma?
Ho'ws your punctuation?
All excellent.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:16 pm Can you translate snarky girl into soft spoken gentlelady, for business purposes?
I could, but that would be at the expense of your "voice", which is too valuable.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:16 pm What are your wages? I'd be giving it away for free you know.
If it helped spread the Word of God it would be entirely a labour of love.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:16 pm How soon will you be available?
It just so happens that my only fixed commitment finishes next week. I have lots of ideas and plans to pursue, and if you're serious this could be one of them.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-27T21:56:54+00:00 2025-02-27T21:56:54+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35493#p35493 I just realized I'd be setting myself up for an ulcer, or an apoplectic fit. You're sweet to offer to help, but I'm not brave enough to read pauls books again. It'll take weeks to recover from just writing this.
As soon as i get the library set back up, we've got to start building a bathroom. Those take forever.
But you know, if you want a snarky opinion from me, all you gotta do is post something. If I've got an opinion, I'll let you know all about it.

PS. You know I'm supposed to be working on not being so snarky and potty mouthed. right? Prayers would be nice. ❤️]]>
I just realized I'd be setting myself up for an ulcer, or an apoplectic fit. You're sweet to offer to help, but I'm not brave enough to read pauls books again. It'll take weeks to recover from just writing this.
As soon as i get the library set back up, we've got to start building a bathroom. Those take forever.
But you know, if you want a snarky opinion from me, all you gotta do is post something. If I've got an opinion, I'll let you know all about it.

PS. You know I'm supposed to be working on not being so snarky and potty mouthed. right? Prayers would be nice. ❤️]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by FeathersMcGraw]]> 2025-02-27T23:14:49+00:00 2025-02-27T23:14:49+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35494#p35494 I'm sorry to hear that. It wasn't an offer to help so much as an expressed wish to collaborate.

Are you sure the library and bathroom are more important than a dose of apoplexy (Gk. ἀποπληξία "a striking away")?

What's wrong with being snarky and potty-mouthed? :)

🙏❤️]]>
I'm sorry to hear that. It wasn't an offer to help so much as an expressed wish to collaborate.

Are you sure the library and bathroom are more important than a dose of apoplexy (Gk. ἀποπληξία "a striking away")?

What's wrong with being snarky and potty-mouthed? :)

🙏❤️]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-27T23:55:46+00:00 2025-02-27T23:55:46+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35495#p35495
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 11:14 pm
What's wrong with being snarky and potty-mouthed? :)
Silly boy, don't you know? The rule is sugar and spice, and everything nice. I failed that class. I could live with the snarkiness, but the potty mouth really needs to go. I know you can't tell, but my vocabulary is good enough that I shouldn't be vulgar. I just spend too much time around guys, so I'm blaming them. Cuz i can!
I'm sorry to hear that. It wasn't an offer to help so much as an expressed wish to collaborate.
Ok collaborator, I went first now it's your turn. Pick a paul, any paul.
I'll go get the antacid. I'm going to need it.]]>
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 11:14 pm
What's wrong with being snarky and potty-mouthed? :)
Silly boy, don't you know? The rule is sugar and spice, and everything nice. I failed that class. I could live with the snarkiness, but the potty mouth really needs to go. I know you can't tell, but my vocabulary is good enough that I shouldn't be vulgar. I just spend too much time around guys, so I'm blaming them. Cuz i can!
I'm sorry to hear that. It wasn't an offer to help so much as an expressed wish to collaborate.
Ok collaborator, I went first now it's your turn. Pick a paul, any paul.
I'll go get the antacid. I'm going to need it.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by FeathersMcGraw]]> 2025-02-28T00:23:20+00:00 2025-02-28T00:23:20+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35496#p35496 Will do, and get back to you.

I'm thinking about how to make the message accessible, compelling, attractive. I'm really interested in screenplays at the moment, and they are in high demand because there are so many streaming services crying out for original material. There's plenty of money for movie & TV series production (famous names, cast of thousands, remote locations) but a desperate shortage of good stories.

So I've been thinking about a biopic of Paul but not as a "saint" but as a desperate-for-attention "showman". He might even be faking his epiphany on the road to Damascus.

Are we on the same page regarding Jesus and Paul? Jesus being the one true God, Paul sort-of cashing in.

I became a Catholic only about 8 years ago, after 40 years as an Atheist and then 15 years as a Christian. I don't know much about the founding of the Church and I hope you can help me with that. Did Peter and Paul found the church?

It's tempting to take this conversation private - but I'd prefer not to. Let the record stand.]]>
Will do, and get back to you.

I'm thinking about how to make the message accessible, compelling, attractive. I'm really interested in screenplays at the moment, and they are in high demand because there are so many streaming services crying out for original material. There's plenty of money for movie & TV series production (famous names, cast of thousands, remote locations) but a desperate shortage of good stories.

So I've been thinking about a biopic of Paul but not as a "saint" but as a desperate-for-attention "showman". He might even be faking his epiphany on the road to Damascus.

Are we on the same page regarding Jesus and Paul? Jesus being the one true God, Paul sort-of cashing in.

I became a Catholic only about 8 years ago, after 40 years as an Atheist and then 15 years as a Christian. I don't know much about the founding of the Church and I hope you can help me with that. Did Peter and Paul found the church?

It's tempting to take this conversation private - but I'd prefer not to. Let the record stand.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-28T04:38:16+00:00 2025-02-28T04:38:16+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35498#p35498 A biopic of paul sounds good. I've had quite a few movies run through my head, on that dude over the years. One of the less dark thoughts about him is that he was the PT Barnum of his time. The movies that i think of, as I learn more things, are very dark. My problem with movies is, I only like comedies and pauls only funny to me, when I'm making fun of him.
I'm not a classic trinitarian. I think linearly - The Father is > His Son is > The Holy Spirit. When I try to combine them into one, it looks like a snake eating its own tail, to me. I'd need someone to prove that they are all interchangeable within their hierarchy to be able to understand "The Trinity". And, they have to explain it to me without using Paul. In other words I don't understand how it all works, but I know he'll give me the answer, when I need it. If I'm working on following his instructions, the rest will come. I tried to be an atheist at 16, it lasted until 18-19. I think my label is Contrarian Christian, not sure, but know I'm quite contrary.
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 12:23 am Did Peter and Paul found the church?
It's tempting to take this conversation private - but I'd prefer not to. Let the record stand.
Jesus established the church, all his real Apostles and disciples spread the branches and did the grafting. Paul took an axe and did what his roman masters told him to do. That's my opinion, as of today. My opinion of paul is everchanging though.

If you're going to work on a movie script, wouldn't it best to discuss that in DM?
Also, if you write a scene with some old woman beating the stuffing out of paul, I'm definitely in for that!
Sorry it took so long to reply, had to do dinner and dishes. I'm pooped.]]>
A biopic of paul sounds good. I've had quite a few movies run through my head, on that dude over the years. One of the less dark thoughts about him is that he was the PT Barnum of his time. The movies that i think of, as I learn more things, are very dark. My problem with movies is, I only like comedies and pauls only funny to me, when I'm making fun of him.
I'm not a classic trinitarian. I think linearly - The Father is > His Son is > The Holy Spirit. When I try to combine them into one, it looks like a snake eating its own tail, to me. I'd need someone to prove that they are all interchangeable within their hierarchy to be able to understand "The Trinity". And, they have to explain it to me without using Paul. In other words I don't understand how it all works, but I know he'll give me the answer, when I need it. If I'm working on following his instructions, the rest will come. I tried to be an atheist at 16, it lasted until 18-19. I think my label is Contrarian Christian, not sure, but know I'm quite contrary.
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 12:23 am Did Peter and Paul found the church?
It's tempting to take this conversation private - but I'd prefer not to. Let the record stand.
Jesus established the church, all his real Apostles and disciples spread the branches and did the grafting. Paul took an axe and did what his roman masters told him to do. That's my opinion, as of today. My opinion of paul is everchanging though.

If you're going to work on a movie script, wouldn't it best to discuss that in DM?
Also, if you write a scene with some old woman beating the stuffing out of paul, I'm definitely in for that!
Sorry it took so long to reply, had to do dinner and dishes. I'm pooped.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by FeathersMcGraw]]> 2025-02-28T06:49:39+00:00 2025-02-28T06:49:39+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35499#p35499
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am One of the less dark thoughts about him is that he was the PT Barnum of his time.
Just what I had in mind. Now make it darker...
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am The movies that i think of, as I learn more things, are very dark. My problem with movies is, I only like comedies and pauls only funny to me, when I'm making fun of him.
We can do anything we want. We can make Paul ridiculous, or evil, or lecherous (do chicks dig Jesus and Paul's picking up the groupies?), or funny, or anything really.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am I'm not a classic trinitarian. I think linearly - The Father is > His Son is > The Holy Spirit. When I try to combine them into one, it looks like a snake eating its own tail, to me. I'd need someone to prove that they are all interchangeable within their hierarchy to be able to understand "The Trinity". And, they have to explain it to me without using Paul. In other words I don't understand how it all works, but I know he'll give me the answer, when I need it. If I'm working on following his instructions, the rest will come. I tried to be an atheist at 16, it lasted until 18-19. I think my label is Contrarian Christian, not sure, but know I'm quite contrary.
It's all good, so long as you and I are both praying to the same Bloke. I'm comfortable not understanding the details.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 12:23 am Did Peter and Paul found the church?
It's tempting to take this conversation private - but I'd prefer not to. Let the record stand.
Jesus established the church, all his real Apostles and disciples spread the branches and did the grafting. Paul took an axe and did what his roman masters told him to do. That's my opinion, as of today. My opinion of paul is everchanging though.
I meant the Roman Catholic church, in Rome, at the Vatican. I think Peter was the first "bishop" i.e. pope and the mantle has passed down in an unbroken line since then? Was Paul involved too? I don't know much.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am If you're going to work on a movie script, wouldn't it best to discuss that in DM?
Why? Is it because you think someone might steal it? They won't. “Ideas are a dime a dozen. People who implement them are priceless.”
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am Also, if you write a scene with some old woman beating the stuffing out of paul, I'm definitely in for that!
Let's make it the opening scene, before the credits :)
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am Sorry it took so long to reply, had to do dinner and dishes. I'm pooped.
I am blessed with infinite patience. Take all the time in the world. I know you have a a Real Life away from the keyboard, and I'm very happy to hear it.

As and when I think of something I may add it to this thread, but there's no need to feel any urgency to respond. I'm always interested in your thoughts and ideas. Feel free to express them here if and when the urge takes you. I'm a big fan of freedom.]]>
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am One of the less dark thoughts about him is that he was the PT Barnum of his time.
Just what I had in mind. Now make it darker...
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am The movies that i think of, as I learn more things, are very dark. My problem with movies is, I only like comedies and pauls only funny to me, when I'm making fun of him.
We can do anything we want. We can make Paul ridiculous, or evil, or lecherous (do chicks dig Jesus and Paul's picking up the groupies?), or funny, or anything really.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am I'm not a classic trinitarian. I think linearly - The Father is > His Son is > The Holy Spirit. When I try to combine them into one, it looks like a snake eating its own tail, to me. I'd need someone to prove that they are all interchangeable within their hierarchy to be able to understand "The Trinity". And, they have to explain it to me without using Paul. In other words I don't understand how it all works, but I know he'll give me the answer, when I need it. If I'm working on following his instructions, the rest will come. I tried to be an atheist at 16, it lasted until 18-19. I think my label is Contrarian Christian, not sure, but know I'm quite contrary.
It's all good, so long as you and I are both praying to the same Bloke. I'm comfortable not understanding the details.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 12:23 am Did Peter and Paul found the church?
It's tempting to take this conversation private - but I'd prefer not to. Let the record stand.
Jesus established the church, all his real Apostles and disciples spread the branches and did the grafting. Paul took an axe and did what his roman masters told him to do. That's my opinion, as of today. My opinion of paul is everchanging though.
I meant the Roman Catholic church, in Rome, at the Vatican. I think Peter was the first "bishop" i.e. pope and the mantle has passed down in an unbroken line since then? Was Paul involved too? I don't know much.
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am If you're going to work on a movie script, wouldn't it best to discuss that in DM?
Why? Is it because you think someone might steal it? They won't. “Ideas are a dime a dozen. People who implement them are priceless.”
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am Also, if you write a scene with some old woman beating the stuffing out of paul, I'm definitely in for that!
Let's make it the opening scene, before the credits :)
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:38 am Sorry it took so long to reply, had to do dinner and dishes. I'm pooped.
I am blessed with infinite patience. Take all the time in the world. I know you have a a Real Life away from the keyboard, and I'm very happy to hear it.

As and when I think of something I may add it to this thread, but there's no need to feel any urgency to respond. I'm always interested in your thoughts and ideas. Feel free to express them here if and when the urge takes you. I'm a big fan of freedom.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-28T16:22:51+00:00 2025-02-28T16:22:51+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35506#p35506
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:49 am Just what I had in mind. Now make it darker...
Darker like what? Personal behavior, ambition, end goals, who's controlling him? Several different paths to take on each subject. I have only thought of him as a roman/edomite spy, for a long time.
We can do anything we want. We can make Paul ridiculous, or evil, or lecherous (do chicks dig Jesus and Paul's picking up the groupies?), or funny, or anything really.

I already consider paul to be ridiculous, evil, lecherous, possible pedofag. what's left? I don't think groupies were a thing in the 1st century. 95%+ of people were busy with their survival. Jesus' disciples had to leave everything behind in order to follow him. Mostly single men, a few married, and even fewer women. All reports of of his appearance make him sound plain and ordinary. Just a regular guy.
As for paul, there's NO WAY he had female groupies, except maybe Thecla. I think you should look for his physical descriptions online. I laughed so hard, i almost peed.
I meant the Roman Catholic church, in Rome, at the Vatican. I think Peter was the first "bishop" i.e. pope and the mantle has passed down in an unbroken line since then? Was Paul involved too? I don't know much.
iirc The first pope was another dude. rcc online would know. I rejected rcc at age 5, after 1st and only, one-on-one encounter with a 'penguin'. I said I'd never go again, and i didn't. You would know more abour their teachings than I would.
Let's make it the opening scene, before the credits :)
Then you'd have to do the rest of the movie in 'flashbacks' There wouldn't be much left, after she got done. Paul couldn't even wup my mom, and she's mega-old. I hope she doesn't see this.
As and when I think of something I may add it to this thread, but there's no need to feel any urgency to respond. I'm always interested in your thoughts and ideas. Feel free to express them here if and when the urge takes you. I'm a big fan of freedom.
My thoughts are almost always questions. Like what if the roman soldier in Act 21:37-38 was correct,
Aren’t you the Egyptian who started a revolt and led four thousand terrorists into the desert some time ago?”
Hey paul. Are you?]]>
FeathersMcGraw wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:49 am Just what I had in mind. Now make it darker...
Darker like what? Personal behavior, ambition, end goals, who's controlling him? Several different paths to take on each subject. I have only thought of him as a roman/edomite spy, for a long time.
We can do anything we want. We can make Paul ridiculous, or evil, or lecherous (do chicks dig Jesus and Paul's picking up the groupies?), or funny, or anything really.

I already consider paul to be ridiculous, evil, lecherous, possible pedofag. what's left? I don't think groupies were a thing in the 1st century. 95%+ of people were busy with their survival. Jesus' disciples had to leave everything behind in order to follow him. Mostly single men, a few married, and even fewer women. All reports of of his appearance make him sound plain and ordinary. Just a regular guy.
As for paul, there's NO WAY he had female groupies, except maybe Thecla. I think you should look for his physical descriptions online. I laughed so hard, i almost peed.
I meant the Roman Catholic church, in Rome, at the Vatican. I think Peter was the first "bishop" i.e. pope and the mantle has passed down in an unbroken line since then? Was Paul involved too? I don't know much.
iirc The first pope was another dude. rcc online would know. I rejected rcc at age 5, after 1st and only, one-on-one encounter with a 'penguin'. I said I'd never go again, and i didn't. You would know more abour their teachings than I would.
Let's make it the opening scene, before the credits :)
Then you'd have to do the rest of the movie in 'flashbacks' There wouldn't be much left, after she got done. Paul couldn't even wup my mom, and she's mega-old. I hope she doesn't see this.
As and when I think of something I may add it to this thread, but there's no need to feel any urgency to respond. I'm always interested in your thoughts and ideas. Feel free to express them here if and when the urge takes you. I'm a big fan of freedom.
My thoughts are almost always questions. Like what if the roman soldier in Act 21:37-38 was correct,
Aren’t you the Egyptian who started a revolt and led four thousand terrorists into the desert some time ago?”
Hey paul. Are you?]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by FeathersMcGraw]]> 2025-03-01T06:58:03+00:00 2025-03-01T06:58:03+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35509#p35509
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:22 pm a roman/edomite spy
Can you tell me more about that? What's edom? What was Paul doing for Rome?
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:22 pm except maybe Thecla
Wow I'd never heard of her. Looked briefly at wikipedia. Her relationship with Paul has real potential as a foundation for the story. What do we know about her?

Can she be the one beating him up at the start?]]>
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:22 pm a roman/edomite spy
Can you tell me more about that? What's edom? What was Paul doing for Rome?
shewhomustbeobeyed wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:22 pm except maybe Thecla
Wow I'd never heard of her. Looked briefly at wikipedia. Her relationship with Paul has real potential as a foundation for the story. What do we know about her?

Can she be the one beating him up at the start?]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-03-01T21:56:17+00:00 2025-03-03T16:47:55+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35514#p35514 Edomite is a descendant of Esau. God hated Esau, even before he was born. Esau was a race traitor, married forbidden women. i think he prolly tapped anything that moved, as long as it was verboten. His "tribe' may have vanished, but his DNA hasn't. It can be traced to Italy/Rome, Russia, Khazars(ukraine,tukey), china, Greece. I've forgotten a lot of the DNA stuff, but i remember those. The Silk Road.
Paul says he's related to the Herodians (Israel/Edom mix), they were the high priests in Jerusalem (stolen), local rulers/kings of Judea, related by DNA to Rome. If its born with an ugly nose, it's probably an edomite, anegro, or a mix. I think 'khazarian cunt' sounds much better than 'a jew', don't you?
What was Paul doing for Rome?
black ops. I think he may have done a lot of things that he hasn't gotten credit for. Oh look, a miniseries!!!

I barely remember what i read about Paul and Thecla. I thought is was all BS, wiki seems to cover most of it. I will not be studying rcc fairy tales any time soon, that's on you. Too pagan, too boring, too khazarian. maybe if i get insomnia.
Can she be the one beating him up at the start?
It's your movie. Thecla would have been a disciple of Paul, not a poor widow who's been robbed.
Maybe he should be beaten by a mob of women, taking turns? How about a mob of women beating him and all his disciples/followers? Like the mobs of women who shut down saloons before American prohibition. They used axes and clubs. The drunks mostly pissed themselves and ran. good stuff!
It could be a running gag. Every city had widows.

If you want more options for plots, I think you really need to study this subject, then you can give me the highlights. I haven't tackled it yet.
Simon Magus - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Magus
...the speculation by academics Ferdinand Christian Baur and Hermann Detering that Simon may be identified with Paul the Apostle.
Is pauls savior lucifer?
simon magus?
or is paul really simon magus?
Acts 8:9–24
Clementine Recognitions aka Nazarene act of the Apostles. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDELAg ... rbVEEddSpR
Clementine Homilies - https://archive.org/stream/clementineho ... m_djvu.txt
E: none of this means that salvation isn't offered to Edom. It just makes it easier to see what happened. Also, Jacob shouldn't be blamed for Esau's crimes.]]>
Edomite is a descendant of Esau. God hated Esau, even before he was born. Esau was a race traitor, married forbidden women. i think he prolly tapped anything that moved, as long as it was verboten. His "tribe' may have vanished, but his DNA hasn't. It can be traced to Italy/Rome, Russia, Khazars(ukraine,tukey), china, Greece. I've forgotten a lot of the DNA stuff, but i remember those. The Silk Road.
Paul says he's related to the Herodians (Israel/Edom mix), they were the high priests in Jerusalem (stolen), local rulers/kings of Judea, related by DNA to Rome. If its born with an ugly nose, it's probably an edomite, anegro, or a mix. I think 'khazarian cunt' sounds much better than 'a jew', don't you?
What was Paul doing for Rome?
black ops. I think he may have done a lot of things that he hasn't gotten credit for. Oh look, a miniseries!!!

I barely remember what i read about Paul and Thecla. I thought is was all BS, wiki seems to cover most of it. I will not be studying rcc fairy tales any time soon, that's on you. Too pagan, too boring, too khazarian. maybe if i get insomnia.
Can she be the one beating him up at the start?
It's your movie. Thecla would have been a disciple of Paul, not a poor widow who's been robbed.
Maybe he should be beaten by a mob of women, taking turns? How about a mob of women beating him and all his disciples/followers? Like the mobs of women who shut down saloons before American prohibition. They used axes and clubs. The drunks mostly pissed themselves and ran. good stuff!
It could be a running gag. Every city had widows.

If you want more options for plots, I think you really need to study this subject, then you can give me the highlights. I haven't tackled it yet.
Simon Magus - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Magus
...the speculation by academics Ferdinand Christian Baur and Hermann Detering that Simon may be identified with Paul the Apostle.
Is pauls savior lucifer?
simon magus?
or is paul really simon magus?
Acts 8:9–24
Clementine Recognitions aka Nazarene act of the Apostles. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDELAg ... rbVEEddSpR
Clementine Homilies - https://archive.org/stream/clementineho ... m_djvu.txt
E: none of this means that salvation isn't offered to Edom. It just makes it easier to see what happened. Also, Jacob shouldn't be blamed for Esau's crimes.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-03-01T22:42:25+00:00 2025-03-01T22:42:25+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35515#p35515 Possible Miniseries Title: the perils of paul
On our last episode of the perils of paul, we see paul being driven out of the city of Corinth.
Lets join him and his disciples as they journey on to the next village/town/city.]]>
Possible Miniseries Title: the perils of paul
On our last episode of the perils of paul, we see paul being driven out of the city of Corinth.
Lets join him and his disciples as they journey on to the next village/town/city.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Re: The narrow path :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-03-02T15:19:24+00:00 2025-03-02T15:19:24+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14080&p=35520#p35520 "Church and State"
Count Leo Tolstoï (1891). Church and State and Other Essays. Boston, Mass.: Benj. R. Tucker, Publisher.
https://www.jesuswordsonly.org/topicind ... state.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20250302141 ... state.html - https://archive.ph/hU3yB
What a wonderful thing, then! Men appear, who toil unceasingly to make other people enjoy just this and no other form or revelation; who cannot rest until others accept their, just their form of revelation, and who damn, execute, kill, as many as they can of the dissenters. Others do the same: damn, execute, and kill one another.
How could there remain people who believed in this delusion?
How, why, what may compel me to demand from anybody that he shall manifest his truth absolutely as I do?
Compel him to change his faith I cannot; either by violence, cunning, or deception.
Faith in his life, -- how then can I take away his faith and give him another? It is like taking his heart out and putting another in.
Another reason why this cannot be done is that it is impossible to force a man to believe that which he does not believe, -- that is, to fill his relation to God, -- and because he who knows that faith is the relation of man to God cannot wish to determine the relations of another man to God through force or fraud.
Of all the godless ideas and terms, there is no term and concept more godless than the idea of Church.
There is no idea that has produced more evil, no idea more hostile to the doctrine of Christ, than the idea of Church. At bottom, the word Ecclesia means collection and nothing more, and so it is used in the Gospels. In the languages of all new peoples the word Ecclesia signifies house of worship.
According to the definitions given to this word by those priests who need this delusion of Church, it is nothing else than an introduction to this effect:
"Everything I am about to say is truth, and, if you will not believe, I shall burn you, or damn you, and in every way work you injury."
Turning to the original Christian doctrine in the Gospels, we find a doctrine directly excluding formal worship, censuring it, and one that with particular plainness and positiveness denies all teaching.
The conception of the true Church was also used as an argument against the opponents; but until Emperor Constantine and the Nicaean Council, Church was only an idea. But since Constantine and the Nicaean Council the Church has been a thing, and a thing of fraud.
Article - Tolstoy on Paulinism
https://www.jesuswordsonly.org/topicind ... inism.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20250302143 ... inism.html - https://archive.ph/lvFnU

KJV
Spelling and updated vocabulary revisions. more changes.
1611 – Numbers 6:14
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Nu ... -1611-KJV/
and one lambe without blemish for peace offerings
1769 – Numbers 6:14
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/4/6
and one ram without blemish for peace offerings

1611 – Ezekiel 24: 7
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/16 ... pter-24/#7
For her blood is in the middest of her: she set it vpon the toppe of a rocke, she powred it vpon the ground to couer it with dust:
1769 – Ezekiel 24: 7
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/26/24
For her blood is in the midst of her; she set it upon the top of a rock; she poured it not upon the ground, to cover it with dust;

1611 – John 15:20
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/16 ... ter-15/#20
Remember the word that I said vnto you, The seruant is not greater then the Lord: if they haue persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they haue kept my saying, they will keepe yours also.
1769 – John 15:20
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/43/15
Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

1611 – Jeremiah 38:16
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/16 ... ter-38/#16
So the king sware secretly vnto Ieremiah, saying…….
1769 – Jeremiah 38:16
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/24/38
So Zedekiah the king sware secretly unto Jeremiah, saying…..

1611 – 1 Cor 15:41
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/16 ... ter-15/#41
There is one glory of the sunne, another of the moone, and another glorie of the starres
1769 – 1 Cor 15:41
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/46/15
There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars

1611 – 1 Tim 1:4
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/16 ... apter-1/#4
Neither giue heed to fables, and endlesse genealogies, which minister questions, rather then edifying which is in faith
1769 – 1 Tim 1:4
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/54/1
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith

There are changes and some books cataloging the changes. The vast majority of the changes are minor or updates to the language.]]>
"Church and State"
Count Leo Tolstoï (1891). Church and State and Other Essays. Boston, Mass.: Benj. R. Tucker, Publisher.
https://www.jesuswordsonly.org/topicind ... state.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20250302141 ... state.html - https://archive.ph/hU3yB
What a wonderful thing, then! Men appear, who toil unceasingly to make other people enjoy just this and no other form or revelation; who cannot rest until others accept their, just their form of revelation, and who damn, execute, kill, as many as they can of the dissenters. Others do the same: damn, execute, and kill one another.
How could there remain people who believed in this delusion?
How, why, what may compel me to demand from anybody that he shall manifest his truth absolutely as I do?
Compel him to change his faith I cannot; either by violence, cunning, or deception.
Faith in his life, -- how then can I take away his faith and give him another? It is like taking his heart out and putting another in.
Another reason why this cannot be done is that it is impossible to force a man to believe that which he does not believe, -- that is, to fill his relation to God, -- and because he who knows that faith is the relation of man to God cannot wish to determine the relations of another man to God through force or fraud.
Of all the godless ideas and terms, there is no term and concept more godless than the idea of Church.
There is no idea that has produced more evil, no idea more hostile to the doctrine of Christ, than the idea of Church. At bottom, the word Ecclesia means collection and nothing more, and so it is used in the Gospels. In the languages of all new peoples the word Ecclesia signifies house of worship.
According to the definitions given to this word by those priests who need this delusion of Church, it is nothing else than an introduction to this effect:
"Everything I am about to say is truth, and, if you will not believe, I shall burn you, or damn you, and in every way work you injury."
Turning to the original Christian doctrine in the Gospels, we find a doctrine directly excluding formal worship, censuring it, and one that with particular plainness and positiveness denies all teaching.
The conception of the true Church was also used as an argument against the opponents; but until Emperor Constantine and the Nicaean Council, Church was only an idea. But since Constantine and the Nicaean Council the Church has been a thing, and a thing of fraud.
Article - Tolstoy on Paulinism
https://www.jesuswordsonly.org/topicind ... inism.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20250302143 ... inism.html - https://archive.ph/lvFnU

KJV
Spelling and updated vocabulary revisions. more changes.
1611 – Numbers 6:14
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Nu ... -1611-KJV/
and one lambe without blemish for peace offerings
1769 – Numbers 6:14
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/4/6
and one ram without blemish for peace offerings

1611 – Ezekiel 24: 7
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/16 ... pter-24/#7
For her blood is in the middest of her: she set it vpon the toppe of a rocke, she powred it vpon the ground to couer it with dust:
1769 – Ezekiel 24: 7
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/26/24
For her blood is in the midst of her; she set it upon the top of a rock; she poured it not upon the ground, to cover it with dust;

1611 – John 15:20
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/16 ... ter-15/#20
Remember the word that I said vnto you, The seruant is not greater then the Lord: if they haue persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they haue kept my saying, they will keepe yours also.
1769 – John 15:20
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/43/15
Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

1611 – Jeremiah 38:16
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/16 ... ter-38/#16
So the king sware secretly vnto Ieremiah, saying…….
1769 – Jeremiah 38:16
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/24/38
So Zedekiah the king sware secretly unto Jeremiah, saying…..

1611 – 1 Cor 15:41
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/16 ... ter-15/#41
There is one glory of the sunne, another of the moone, and another glorie of the starres
1769 – 1 Cor 15:41
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/46/15
There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars

1611 – 1 Tim 1:4
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/16 ... apter-1/#4
Neither giue heed to fables, and endlesse genealogies, which minister questions, rather then edifying which is in faith
1769 – 1 Tim 1:4
https://textusreceptusbibles.com/KJV1769/54/1
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith

There are changes and some books cataloging the changes. The vast majority of the changes are minor or updates to the language.]]>
<![CDATA[Archive :: Epstein Archives :: Author shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-03-06T13:07:32+00:00 2025-03-06T13:07:32+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14195&p=35550#p35550 black book - https://web.archive.org/web/20201218112 ... k_book.pdf

flight logs - https://web.archive.org/web/20201218083 ... t_logs.pdf

unredacted -
https://web.archive.org/web/20200120161 ... dacted.pdf]]>
black book - https://web.archive.org/web/20201218112 ... k_book.pdf

flight logs - https://web.archive.org/web/20201218083 ... t_logs.pdf

unredacted -
https://web.archive.org/web/20200120161 ... dacted.pdf]]>
<![CDATA[BooksAndLiterature :: The Jesuit Order as a Synagogue of Jews: Jesuits of Jewish Ancestry and Purity-of-Blood Laws in the Early Society of Jes :: Author shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-25T19:11:49+00:00 2025-02-25T19:11:49+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=14148&p=35468#p35468 https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1163/j.ctt1w8h1xm
https://library.oapen.org/handle/20.500.12657/38170
https://archive.org/details/oapen-20.50 ... 1/mode/2up
SVA link to voat didn't have an archive of the book. - https://archive.searchvoat.co/v/books/3561847

It did have an archive of another book, though.
Jews must live; an account of the persecution of the world by Israel on all the frontiers of civilization
by Roth, Samuel, 1893-1974.
https://archive.org/details/JewsMustLiv ... elOnAllThe
]]>
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1163/j.ctt1w8h1xm
https://library.oapen.org/handle/20.500.12657/38170
https://archive.org/details/oapen-20.50 ... 1/mode/2up
SVA link to voat didn't have an archive of the book. - https://archive.searchvoat.co/v/books/3561847

It did have an archive of another book, though.
Jews must live; an account of the persecution of the world by Israel on all the frontiers of civilization
by Roth, Samuel, 1893-1974.
https://archive.org/details/JewsMustLiv ... elOnAllThe
]]>
<![CDATA[BooksAndLiterature :: Re: The Jesuit Order as a Synagogue of Jews: Jesuits of Jewish Ancestry and Purity-of-Blood Laws in the Early Society of :: Reply by FeathersMcGraw]]> 2025-02-25T19:50:41+00:00 2025-02-25T19:50:41+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=14148&p=35470#p35470 Have always wondered about the Jesuits. "Is the Pope a Catholic?" used to be a punchline.]]> Have always wondered about the Jesuits. "Is the Pope a Catholic?" used to be a punchline.]]> <![CDATA[BooksAndLiterature :: Re: The Jesuit Order as a Synagogue of Jews: Jesuits of Jewish Ancestry and Purity-of-Blood Laws in the Early Society of :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-25T20:07:33+00:00 2025-02-25T20:07:33+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=14148&p=35472#p35472 "Is the Pope a Catholic?" and "Does a bear shit in the woods?", were the two I heard the most.
Does the pope shit in the woods? That's the real question.]]>
"Is the Pope a Catholic?" and "Does a bear shit in the woods?", were the two I heard the most.
Does the pope shit in the woods? That's the real question.]]>
<![CDATA[BooksAndLiterature :: Mosses from an Old Manse by Nathaniel Hawthorne :: Author shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-03-04T15:08:18+00:00 2025-03-04T15:08:18+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=14186&p=35534#p35534 https://web.archive.org/web/20240417153 ... mages.html

The Birthmark by Nathaniel Hawthorne
An adaptation of Nathaniel Hawthorne's short story "the Birthmark"
phpBB [video]


Young Goodman Brown by Nathaniel Hawthorne
phpBB [video]
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https://web.archive.org/web/20240417153 ... mages.html

The Birthmark by Nathaniel Hawthorne
An adaptation of Nathaniel Hawthorne's short story "the Birthmark"
phpBB [video]


Young Goodman Brown by Nathaniel Hawthorne
phpBB [video]
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<![CDATA[BooksAndLiterature :: FANTASTIC FABLES By AMBROSE BIERCE :: Author shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-17T05:11:24+00:00 2025-02-17T05:11:24+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=14099&p=35401#p35401 https://archive.org/details/fantasticfa ... r/mode/2up
https://archive.is/fMFHn

A few fables

The Moral Principle and the Material Interest . . .
A Moral Principle met a Material Interest on a bridge wide enough for but one.
“Down, you base thing!” thundered the Moral Principle, “and let me pass over you!”
The Material Interest merely looked in the other’s eyes without saying anything.
“Ah,” said the Moral Principle, hesitatingly, “let us draw lots to see which shall retire till the other has crossed.”
The Material Interest maintained an unbroken silence and an unwavering stare.
“In order to avoid a conflict,” the Moral Principle resumed, somewhat uneasily, “I shall myself lie down and let you walk over me.”
Then the Material Interest found a tongue, and by a strange coincidence it was its own tongue. “I don’t think you are very good walking,” it said. “I am a little particular about what I have underfoot. Suppose you get off into the water.”
It occurred that way.


The Crimson Candle
A man lying at the point of death called his wife to his bedside and said:
“I am about to leave you forever; give me, therefore, one last proof of your affection and fidelity, for, according to our holy religion, a married man seeking admittance at the gate of Heaven is required to swear that he has never defiled himself with an unworthy woman. In my desk you will find a crimson candle, which has been blessed by the High Priest and has a peculiar mystical significance. Swear to me that while it is in existence you will not remarry.”
The Woman swore and the Man died. At the funeral the Woman stood at the head of the bier, holding a lighted crimson candle till it was wasted entirely away.


The Ingenious Patriot
Having obtained an audience of the King an Ingenious Patriot pulled a paper from his pocket, saying:
“May it please your Majesty, I have here a formula for constructing armour-plating which no gun can pierce. If these plates are adopted in the Royal Navy our warships will be invulnerable, and therefore invincible. Here, also, are reports of your Majesty’s Ministers, attesting the value of the invention. I will part with my right in it for a million tumtums.”
After examining the papers, the King put them away and promised him an order on the Lord High Treasurer of the Extortion Department for a million tumtums.
“And here,” said the Ingenious Patriot, pulling another paper from another pocket, “are the working plans of a gun that I have invented, which will pierce that armour. Your Majesty’s Royal Brother, the Emperor of Bang, is anxious to purchase it, but loyalty to your Majesty’s throne and person constrains me to offer it first to your Majesty. The price is one million tumtums.”
Having received the promise of another check, he thrust his hand into still another pocket, remarking:
“The price of the irresistible gun would have been much greater, your Majesty, but for the fact that its missiles can be so effectively averted by my peculiar method of treating the armour plates with a new—”
The King signed to the Great Head Factotum to approach.
“Search this man,” he said, “and report how many pockets he has.”
“Forty-three, Sire,” said the Great Head Factotum, completing the scrutiny.
“May it please your Majesty,” cried the Ingenious Patriot, in terror, “one of them contains tobacco.”
“Hold him up by the ankles and shake him,” said the King; “then give him a check for forty-two million tumtums and put him to death. Let a decree issue declaring ingenuity a capital offence.”


The Politicians
An Old Politician and a Young Politician were travelling through a beautiful country, by the dusty highway which leads to the City of Prosperous Obscurity. Lured by the flowers and the shade and charmed by the songs of birds which invited to woodland paths and green fields, his imagination fired by glimpses of golden domes and glittering palaces in the distance on either hand, the Young Politician said:
“Let us, I beseech thee, turn aside from this comfortless road leading, thou knowest whither, but not I. Let us turn our backs upon duty and abandon ourselves to the delights and advantages which beckon from every grove and call to us from every shining hill. Let us, if so thou wilt, follow this beautiful path, which, as thou seest, hath a guide-board saying, ‘Turn in here all ye who seek the Palace of Political Distinction.’”
“It is a beautiful path, my son,” said the Old Politician, without either slackening his pace or turning his head, “and it leadeth among pleasant scenes. But the search for the Palace of Political Distinction is beset with one mighty peril.”
“What is that?” said the Young Politician.
“The peril of finding it,” the Old Politician replied, pushing on.]]>
https://archive.org/details/fantasticfa ... r/mode/2up
https://archive.is/fMFHn

A few fables

The Moral Principle and the Material Interest . . .
A Moral Principle met a Material Interest on a bridge wide enough for but one.
“Down, you base thing!” thundered the Moral Principle, “and let me pass over you!”
The Material Interest merely looked in the other’s eyes without saying anything.
“Ah,” said the Moral Principle, hesitatingly, “let us draw lots to see which shall retire till the other has crossed.”
The Material Interest maintained an unbroken silence and an unwavering stare.
“In order to avoid a conflict,” the Moral Principle resumed, somewhat uneasily, “I shall myself lie down and let you walk over me.”
Then the Material Interest found a tongue, and by a strange coincidence it was its own tongue. “I don’t think you are very good walking,” it said. “I am a little particular about what I have underfoot. Suppose you get off into the water.”
It occurred that way.


The Crimson Candle
A man lying at the point of death called his wife to his bedside and said:
“I am about to leave you forever; give me, therefore, one last proof of your affection and fidelity, for, according to our holy religion, a married man seeking admittance at the gate of Heaven is required to swear that he has never defiled himself with an unworthy woman. In my desk you will find a crimson candle, which has been blessed by the High Priest and has a peculiar mystical significance. Swear to me that while it is in existence you will not remarry.”
The Woman swore and the Man died. At the funeral the Woman stood at the head of the bier, holding a lighted crimson candle till it was wasted entirely away.


The Ingenious Patriot
Having obtained an audience of the King an Ingenious Patriot pulled a paper from his pocket, saying:
“May it please your Majesty, I have here a formula for constructing armour-plating which no gun can pierce. If these plates are adopted in the Royal Navy our warships will be invulnerable, and therefore invincible. Here, also, are reports of your Majesty’s Ministers, attesting the value of the invention. I will part with my right in it for a million tumtums.”
After examining the papers, the King put them away and promised him an order on the Lord High Treasurer of the Extortion Department for a million tumtums.
“And here,” said the Ingenious Patriot, pulling another paper from another pocket, “are the working plans of a gun that I have invented, which will pierce that armour. Your Majesty’s Royal Brother, the Emperor of Bang, is anxious to purchase it, but loyalty to your Majesty’s throne and person constrains me to offer it first to your Majesty. The price is one million tumtums.”
Having received the promise of another check, he thrust his hand into still another pocket, remarking:
“The price of the irresistible gun would have been much greater, your Majesty, but for the fact that its missiles can be so effectively averted by my peculiar method of treating the armour plates with a new—”
The King signed to the Great Head Factotum to approach.
“Search this man,” he said, “and report how many pockets he has.”
“Forty-three, Sire,” said the Great Head Factotum, completing the scrutiny.
“May it please your Majesty,” cried the Ingenious Patriot, in terror, “one of them contains tobacco.”
“Hold him up by the ankles and shake him,” said the King; “then give him a check for forty-two million tumtums and put him to death. Let a decree issue declaring ingenuity a capital offence.”


The Politicians
An Old Politician and a Young Politician were travelling through a beautiful country, by the dusty highway which leads to the City of Prosperous Obscurity. Lured by the flowers and the shade and charmed by the songs of birds which invited to woodland paths and green fields, his imagination fired by glimpses of golden domes and glittering palaces in the distance on either hand, the Young Politician said:
“Let us, I beseech thee, turn aside from this comfortless road leading, thou knowest whither, but not I. Let us turn our backs upon duty and abandon ourselves to the delights and advantages which beckon from every grove and call to us from every shining hill. Let us, if so thou wilt, follow this beautiful path, which, as thou seest, hath a guide-board saying, ‘Turn in here all ye who seek the Palace of Political Distinction.’”
“It is a beautiful path, my son,” said the Old Politician, without either slackening his pace or turning his head, “and it leadeth among pleasant scenes. But the search for the Palace of Political Distinction is beset with one mighty peril.”
“What is that?” said the Young Politician.
“The peril of finding it,” the Old Politician replied, pushing on.]]>
<![CDATA[BooksAndLiterature :: Re: FANTASTIC FABLES By AMBROSE BIERCE :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-03-07T13:04:41+00:00 2025-03-07T13:04:41+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=14099&p=35561#p35561 The City of Political Distinction
Jamrach the Rich, being anxious to reach the City of Political Distinction before nightfall, arrived at a fork of the road and was undecided which branch to follow; so he consulted a Wise-Looking Person who sat by the wayside.
“Take that road,” said the Wise-Looking Person, pointing it out; “it is known as the Political Highway.”
“Thank you,” said Jamrach, and was about to proceed.
“About how much do you thank me?” was the reply. “Do you suppose I am here for my health?”
As Jamrach had not become rich by stupidity, he handed something to his guide and hastened on, and soon came to a toll-gate kept by a Benevolent Gentleman, to whom he gave something, and was suffered to pass. A little farther along he came to a bridge across an imaginary stream, where a Civil Engineer (who had built the bridge) demanded something for interest on his investment, and it was forthcoming. It was growing late when Jamrach came to the margin of what appeared to be a lake of black ink, and there the road terminated. Seeing a Ferryman in his boat he paid something for his passage and was about to embark.
“No,” said the Ferryman. “Put your neck in this noose, and I will tow you over. It is the only way,” he added, seeing that the passenger was about to complain of the accommodations.
In due time he was dragged across, half strangled, and dreadfully beslubbered by the feculent waters. “There,” said the Ferryman, hauling him ashore and disengaging him, “you are now in the City of Political Distinction. It has fifty millions of inhabitants, and as the colour of the Filthy Pool does not wash off, they all look exactly alike.”
“Alas!” exclaimed Jamrach, weeping and bewailing the loss of all his possessions, paid out in tips and tolls; “I will go back with you.”
“I don’t think you will,”, said the Ferryman, pushing off; “this city is situated on the Island of the Unreturning.”

The Alderman and the Raccoon
“I see quite a number of rings on your tail,” said an Alderman to a Raccoon that he met in a zoölogical garden.
“Yes,” replied the Raccoon, “and I hear quite a number of tales on your ring.”
The Alderman, being of a sensitive, retiring disposition, shrank from further comparison, and, strolling to another part of the garden, stole the camel.

The Holy Deacon
An Itinerant Preacher who had wrought hard in the moral vineyard for several hours whispered to a Holy Deacon of the local church:
“Brother, these people know you, and your active support will bear fruit abundantly. Please pass the plate for me, and you shall have one fourth.”
The Holy Deacon did so, and putting the money into his pocket waited till the congregation was dismissed and said goodnight.
“But the money, brother, the money that you collected!” said the Itinerant Preacher.
“Nothing is coming to you,” was the reply; “the Adversary has hardened their hearts, and one fourth is all they gave.”

The Foolish Woman
A Married Woman, whose lover was about to reform by running away, procured a pistol and shot him dead.
“Why did you do that, Madam?” inquired a Policeman, sauntering by.
“Because,” replied the Married Woman, “he was a wicked man, and had purchased a ticket to Chicago.”
“My sister,” said an adjacent Man of God, solemnly, “you cannot stop the wicked from going to Chicago by killing them.”

Father and Son
“My boy,” said an aged Father to his fiery and disobedient Son, “a hot temper is the soil of remorse. Promise me that when next you are angry you will count one hundred before you move or speak.”
No sooner had the Son promised than he received a stinging blow from the paternal walking-stick, and by the time he had counted to seventy-five had the unhappiness to see the old man jump into a waiting cab and whirl away.]]>
The City of Political Distinction
Jamrach the Rich, being anxious to reach the City of Political Distinction before nightfall, arrived at a fork of the road and was undecided which branch to follow; so he consulted a Wise-Looking Person who sat by the wayside.
“Take that road,” said the Wise-Looking Person, pointing it out; “it is known as the Political Highway.”
“Thank you,” said Jamrach, and was about to proceed.
“About how much do you thank me?” was the reply. “Do you suppose I am here for my health?”
As Jamrach had not become rich by stupidity, he handed something to his guide and hastened on, and soon came to a toll-gate kept by a Benevolent Gentleman, to whom he gave something, and was suffered to pass. A little farther along he came to a bridge across an imaginary stream, where a Civil Engineer (who had built the bridge) demanded something for interest on his investment, and it was forthcoming. It was growing late when Jamrach came to the margin of what appeared to be a lake of black ink, and there the road terminated. Seeing a Ferryman in his boat he paid something for his passage and was about to embark.
“No,” said the Ferryman. “Put your neck in this noose, and I will tow you over. It is the only way,” he added, seeing that the passenger was about to complain of the accommodations.
In due time he was dragged across, half strangled, and dreadfully beslubbered by the feculent waters. “There,” said the Ferryman, hauling him ashore and disengaging him, “you are now in the City of Political Distinction. It has fifty millions of inhabitants, and as the colour of the Filthy Pool does not wash off, they all look exactly alike.”
“Alas!” exclaimed Jamrach, weeping and bewailing the loss of all his possessions, paid out in tips and tolls; “I will go back with you.”
“I don’t think you will,”, said the Ferryman, pushing off; “this city is situated on the Island of the Unreturning.”

The Alderman and the Raccoon
“I see quite a number of rings on your tail,” said an Alderman to a Raccoon that he met in a zoölogical garden.
“Yes,” replied the Raccoon, “and I hear quite a number of tales on your ring.”
The Alderman, being of a sensitive, retiring disposition, shrank from further comparison, and, strolling to another part of the garden, stole the camel.

The Holy Deacon
An Itinerant Preacher who had wrought hard in the moral vineyard for several hours whispered to a Holy Deacon of the local church:
“Brother, these people know you, and your active support will bear fruit abundantly. Please pass the plate for me, and you shall have one fourth.”
The Holy Deacon did so, and putting the money into his pocket waited till the congregation was dismissed and said goodnight.
“But the money, brother, the money that you collected!” said the Itinerant Preacher.
“Nothing is coming to you,” was the reply; “the Adversary has hardened their hearts, and one fourth is all they gave.”

The Foolish Woman
A Married Woman, whose lover was about to reform by running away, procured a pistol and shot him dead.
“Why did you do that, Madam?” inquired a Policeman, sauntering by.
“Because,” replied the Married Woman, “he was a wicked man, and had purchased a ticket to Chicago.”
“My sister,” said an adjacent Man of God, solemnly, “you cannot stop the wicked from going to Chicago by killing them.”

Father and Son
“My boy,” said an aged Father to his fiery and disobedient Son, “a hot temper is the soil of remorse. Promise me that when next you are angry you will count one hundred before you move or speak.”
No sooner had the Son promised than he received a stinging blow from the paternal walking-stick, and by the time he had counted to seventy-five had the unhappiness to see the old man jump into a waiting cab and whirl away.]]>
<![CDATA[ClownWorld :: Your Tax Dollars laid to Waste! :: Author iSnark]]> 2025-02-07T21:31:35+00:00 2025-02-07T21:31:35+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=14030&p=35279#p35279 https://x.com/i/status/1887648185382019184]]> https://x.com/i/status/1887648185382019184]]> <![CDATA[ClownWorld :: Milwaukee Brewers Introduce Facial Recognition at Stadium Despite Privacy Concerns :: Author iSnark]]> 2025-02-08T03:56:39+00:00 2025-02-08T03:56:39+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=14033&p=35282#p35282 https://reclaimthenet.org/milwaukee-bre ... ecognition

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<![CDATA[ClownWorld :: Attack on America: A “Deadly” New Strain of H5N1 Threatens to Make Our Egg and Beef Shortages Even Worse :: Author iSnark]]> 2025-02-10T01:29:16+00:00 2025-02-10T01:29:16+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=14052&p=35321#p35321 https://basedunderground.com/2025/02/09 ... ven-worse/]]> https://basedunderground.com/2025/02/09 ... ven-worse/]]> <![CDATA[ClownWorld :: End of an Era: Boy Scouts of America Officially Changed its Name on its 115th Anniversary in Latest Woke Push for ‘Inclu :: Author iSnark]]> 2025-02-10T01:57:58+00:00 2025-02-10T01:57:58+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=14053&p=35322#p35322 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/0 ... anged-its/]]> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/0 ... anged-its/]]> <![CDATA[ClownWorld :: Re: End of an Era: Boy Scouts of America Officially Changed its Name on its 115th Anniversary in Latest Woke Push for ‘I :: Reply by shewhomustbeobeyed]]> 2025-02-10T03:35:29+00:00 2025-02-10T03:35:29+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=14053&p=35323#p35323 I thought the the new name might be LGBTQP Scouts, or Pedo Scouts. Was Boy Scouts ever safe? Girl Scouts was. - https://archive.is/6MDvl]]> I thought the the new name might be LGBTQP Scouts, or Pedo Scouts. Was Boy Scouts ever safe? Girl Scouts was. - https://archive.is/6MDvl]]> <![CDATA[ClownWorld :: Re: End of an Era: Boy Scouts of America Officially Changed its Name on its 115th Anniversary in Latest Woke Push for ‘I :: Reply by iSnark]]> 2025-02-10T16:57:31+00:00 2025-02-10T16:57:31+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=14053&p=35331#p35331 Boy Scouts has had its incidences for sure, but on the whole, they were pretty solid, save those instances where a predator got involved with some local chapter to diddle little children!]]> Boy Scouts has had its incidences for sure, but on the whole, they were pretty solid, save those instances where a predator got involved with some local chapter to diddle little children!]]> <![CDATA[Conspiracy :: Elon's Audit: Why is the Snake Eating it's Tail - SJWellFire: Final Days Report [37.53] :: Author doginventer]]> 2025-02-08T10:37:35+00:00 2025-02-08T10:37:35+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14041&p=35290#p35290 Elon's Audit: Why is the Snake Eating it's Tail - SJWellFire: Final Days Report [37.53]
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<![CDATA[Conspiracy :: The OCCULT roots of the CLOSET - REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST [1.24.06] :: Author doginventer]]> 2025-02-11T11:19:25+00:00 2025-02-11T11:19:25+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14061&p=35347#p35347 The OCCULT roots of the CLOSET - REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST [1.24.06]
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<![CDATA[Conspiracy :: The US Paid 50 billion To Seat 200 Fallen Angels In A Pyramid [4.11] :: Author doginventer]]> 2025-02-12T12:27:38+00:00 2025-02-12T12:27:38+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14065&p=35357#p35357 The US Paid 50 billion To Seat 200 Fallen Angels In A Pyramid [4.11]
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<![CDATA[Conspiracy :: AmazingPolly: Many People in Trump's Admin Have Big Ties to Rumble Video Platform. It's Something. [19.57] :: Author doginventer]]> 2025-02-16T09:47:06+00:00 2025-02-16T09:47:06+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14089&p=35388#p35388 AmazingPolly: Many People in Trump's Admin Have Big Ties to Rumble Video Platform. It's Something. [19.57]
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<![CDATA[Conspiracy :: Ka$h and Friends Making Bank in the Narrative Network - Amazing Polly [36.02] :: Author doginventer]]> 2025-02-17T10:35:19+00:00 2025-02-17T10:35:19+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14103&p=35406#p35406 Ka$h and Friends Making Bank in the Narrative Network - Amazing Polly [36.02]
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<![CDATA[Conspiracy :: Jordan Maxwell: Jesuits, Masons & Illuminati. IS TRUMP A JUDAS GOAT? [30.30] :: Author doginventer]]> 2025-02-18T09:34:14+00:00 2025-02-18T09:34:14+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14108&p=35415#p35415 Jordan Maxwell: Jesuits, Masons & Illuminati. IS TRUMP A JUDAS GOAT? [30.30]
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<![CDATA[Conspiracy :: Just Another Weird Coincidence With BlackRock [0.53] :: Author doginventer]]> 2025-02-19T11:23:31+00:00 2025-02-19T11:23:31+00:00 https://searchvoat.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14113&p=35422#p35422 Just Another Weird Coincidence With BlackRock [0.53]
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